Author Topic: 50 cal in-line what load? (Read 1191 times)

rickyp · « **on:** July 22, 2004, 12:42:50 PM »

what load are you using in your 50 cal. in-line?

In my 209x50 14 inch contender I am using hornady XTP mag 240 gr over 90 grs or pyrodex P I am not ral happy with this load on deer.

In my Knight LK-93 I am using 100 grs of pyrodex RS with knight 300 gr sabots. I have yet to shoot a deer with this rifle but it shoots very well out to 100 yards.

SURVEYOR · « **Reply #1 on:** July 22, 2004, 01:23:21 PM »

rickyp,

I shot a deer with that 240 XTP and lost him. 85 grains of 777 ffg. Switched over to the T/C Cheap Shots using the same 85 grains of 777. I got better accuracy, and killed a 150 lb buck at about 200 yards getting a complete pass through and a 20 yard blood trail! The CS's are ugly, but dead is dead!

That Knight load sounds good to me! Should knock the snot out of a deer out to 200 yards.

Jules J.

rickyp · « **Reply #2 on:** July 22, 2004, 01:33:05 PM »

I have shot several deer with the 240 XTP mag load.

I have knocked several deer down in its tracks and leave some blood only to get up run away with out a blood trail. the only blood I could find is in the place they went down. several other deer showed signs of being hit and I could not find any blood.

SURVEYOR · « **Reply #3 on:** July 22, 2004, 02:10:57 PM »

Same thing here! It only took one time for me! I'm telling you, the cheap shots do a great job.

Jules J.

rickyp · « **Reply #4 on:** July 22, 2004, 02:17:12 PM »

I am thinking about going to the Barnes 45 Long Colt .451 225 gr.XPB
Pistol (45120) They open up about 900 FPS

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #5 on:** July 22, 2004, 02:40:03 PM »

Quote from: rickyp

what load are you using in your 50 cal. in-line?

In my 209x50 14 inch contender I am using hornady XTP mag 240 gr over 90 grs or pyrodex P I am not ral happy with this load on deer.

In my Knight LK-93 I am using 100 grs of pyrodex RS with knight 300 gr sabots. I have yet to shoot a deer with this rifle but it shoots very well out to 100 yards.

In my Encore 25 ACPX50 I use 100 gr. 2 pellets of triple7 under a 295 gr. Power belt.
In my Encore 25 ACPX45 I am working on loads now. I was using 100 gr. 2 pellets of Paradox pellets under 225 gr. power belts.

I don't use the 209 primer, I switch to the 25 ACP conversion.

rickyp · « **Reply #6 on:** July 22, 2004, 02:42:34 PM »

what is the dia. of the 45 cal sabots and what size bullets are you using in them?

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #7 on:** July 22, 2004, 03:00:07 PM »

Quote from: rickyp

what is the dia. of the 45 cal sabots and what size bullets are you using in them?

In my 45 cal Encore I was using the 225 gr. power belt but could not get good accuracy. I am going to try the T/C Super 45 XR sabots. They take the .40 cal bullets, I have both the 155 gr. and 180 gr. XTP Mag bullets.

rickyp · « **Reply #8 on:** July 22, 2004, 03:02:39 PM »

the 45 cal sabots got me thinking about using them in a 45 colt case out of my 45/410 contender barrel

Longcruise · « **Reply #9 on:** July 22, 2004, 05:35:28 PM »

I've only shot XTP's in revlovers, but it's just my feeling that they may over-expand at the velocities you guys are shooting them at.

just my .00002 cents worht :grin:

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #10 on:** July 23, 2004, 12:21:08 AM »

Quote from: Longcruise

I've only shot XTP's in revlovers, but it's just my feeling that they may over-expand at the velocities you guys are shooting them at.

just my .00002 cents worht :grin:

That is why you use the XTP MAGNUM Bullets. They are made for the higher velocity. The standard XTP bullets are for pistol velocitys. There is a difference in the bullets.

Longcruise · « **Reply #11 on:** July 23, 2004, 04:33:48 AM »

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That is why you use the XTP MAGNUM Bullets

That's my Ahaa! for the day. Didn't know there was a mag design. does Hornady make any claims regarding usefull velocity ranges?

Bob the Cynic · « **Reply #12 on:** July 23, 2004, 05:46:24 AM »

I'm using the T/C 240 grain XTP bullet over two Pyrodex 50 grain pellets.

They have been deadly on deer so far. I may play around with some other loads just for accuracy reasons.

sabotloader · « **Reply #13 on:** July 23, 2004, 12:29:12 PM »

The XTP mags available in 45 cal only. And Hornady does show a higher velocity for these, I can not put my fingers on those numbers right now but I will look.

One of the differences between the Mag and a regular XTP-HP is that the copper on the nose of a Mag is rolled over inside the hollow point a bit. These allows it to withstand more velocity and impact pressure. It is a good bullet, but I still switch back to Nosler Partitions for hunting.

daddywpb · « **Reply #14 on:** July 23, 2004, 04:18:48 PM »

I'm going to agree with Redhawk on this one. I use 295 grain Powerbelts, and 100 grains of Pyrodex pellets in my Omega. They shoot better than sabots in my rifle, and they're much easier to load. The Powerbelts group into 1" at 50 yards with either 2 or 3 Pyrodex pellets, but recoil is too much for me with 150 grains. Makes me flinch.

sabotloader · « **Reply #15 on:** July 23, 2004, 04:43:41 PM »

You know daddywpb is right until you find the right sabot for your barrel, loading sabots can be a terrible task. The are several of them out there to choose from. I find that generally the Nosler sabots are the easiest loading in all of my guns. They go down with a moderate push of the thumb and ram rod - no short starter needed. TC Mag Sabots are my next choice and Harvester Sabots after that. Each of these get prgressivly more difficult to get down. No short starter required for any of these.

However, the sabots that come with Hornady SST's and/or Barnes Bullets and some others I need a short stater and a hammer. Same for regular MMP's - I have to order HPH 50x45x24 - their thin variety to get them down. That is why I do not buy bullet/sabot combo packs - I order sabots and bullets separately.

The powerbelts do go down the easiest - sometimes I think to easy - I worry about them coming off the powder - hasn't happened but it still bothers me. I also am a little skepticle of their performance - not on paper they shoot great - but their terminal performance on game. My hunting partner uses them and to often I have seen them pass completly through the deer with the same size entrance wound and exit wound - not even spilling that much blood. The animal is dead - he just doesn't always go down right away - kinda like bow hunting I guess - except they get a blood trail and arrow tip keeps on working while the animal is moving...

Key to shooting sabots - find the right sabot for your gun first....

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #16 on:** July 23, 2004, 05:43:30 PM »

Quote from: sabotloader

The XTP mags available in 45 cal only. And Hornady does show a higher velocity for these, I can not put my fingers on those numbers right now but I will look.

One of the differences between the Mag and a regular XTP-HP is that the copper on the nose of a Mag is rolled over inside the hollow point a bit. These allows it to withstand more velocity and impact pressure. It is a good bullet, but I still switch back to Nosler Partitions for hunting.

According to the package I have, it reads the bullets are .40 cal XTP MAG Bullets. When you go to the link below, look at the advertising box on the top of the page. It says Super 45 XR Sabots with XTP Magnum bullets.

http://www.tcarms.com/mlaccessories/projectiles/super45xr.php

sabotloader · « **Reply #17 on:** July 24, 2004, 02:24:59 AM »

Oh! You are right I forgot about that other caliber... I just don't deal with the 45's anyway the 45 caliber rifles...

RH1, just for curiosities sake, does the copper on those 40's roll over and into the nose of the hollow point a bit?

You know now you really have me thinking - In Idaho and I believe Washington, I don't think those 40's would be legal.

The rule in Idaho reads:

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Muzzleloading Rifle or Musket
In any hunt, including general any-weapon seasons and short-range hunts, it is unlawful to pursue or kill big game animals:
With any muzzleloading rifle or musket that is less than .45 caliber for deer, antelope, or mountain lion; or that is less than .50 caliber for elk, moose, bighorn sheep, mountain goat, or black bear. Loaded with a projectile of at least .428 caliber.

The rule in Washington (State of)

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(b) A muzzleloading firearm used for deer must fire a single, non-jacketed lead projectile of nominal 40 caliber or larger except that buckshot size #1 or larger, may be used in a smoothbore of 60 caliber or larger.
(c) A muzzleloading firearm used for all other big game must fire a single, non-jacketed lead projectile of nominal 50 caliber or larger, or fire a single, non-jacketed lead projectile of at least 170 grains.

I guess I never even thought of these rules until you mention the 40's other than in Idaho I knew the .428 limit was there. I wonder now about other states....

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #18 on:** July 24, 2004, 02:35:31 AM »

Quote from: sabotloader

Oh! You are right I forgot about that other caliber... I just don't deal with the 45's anyway the 45 caliber rifles...

RH1, just for curiosities sake, does the copper on those 40's roll over and into the nose of the hollow point a bit?

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sabotloader, yes it does roll over into the nose of the hollow point. They look just like my .452 240 gr. XTP MAG bullets I have.

Longcruise · « **Reply #19 on:** July 24, 2004, 08:34:19 AM »

On the subject of Powerbelts, what is the lightest weight .50 cal powerbelt available?

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #20 on:** July 24, 2004, 09:10:50 AM »

Quote from: Longcruise

On the subject of Powerbelts, what is the lightest weight .50 cal powerbelt available?

The lightest is the AC1583AT 223 Grain, AeroTip, Copper. You can find out more by going to Powerbelts site.

http://www.powerbeltbullets.com/
http://www.powerbeltbullets.com/products.htm

Longcruise · « **Reply #21 on:** July 25, 2004, 06:37:17 AM »

Thanks hawk, just the reference I needed.