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Offline rs22250

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How to load bp(777) in my 44-40?
« on: October 07, 2004, 04:33:32 PM »
What all is different than loading the smokeless?  I shoot 205gr RFN, Ive heard not to put the Bp in my pwdr measure?   I bought 777, Thanks for the advice and tips

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How to load bp(777) in my 44-40?
« Reply #1 on: October 08, 2004, 07:59:50 AM »
http://www.hodgdon.com/data/tripleseven/cartridge-2f.php#top
I tried a little 777 in hopes of getting a little more than I was from 3f Goex and it didn't even equal.
Hodgdon gives "do not exceed" weights, so what you do beyond that is up to you.
Loading BP is not much different than smokeless, about the only difference is that you want some compression of the powder when the bullet is seated.  A firm crimp will make the round more efficient.
There is a lot of star charts and voodoo involved with the tinkering with BP that makes it a lot more fun and interesting, but for the basics, there is no difference
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How to load bp(777) in my 44-40?
« Reply #2 on: October 08, 2004, 04:51:40 PM »
:D
  777 is hotter than Holy black (reduce it by 10% they say) I have used several pounds of it . Just remember to use a light compression on the powder.  Just make sure you do not have a air gap when done.  I use 777 in my shotgun loads now and APP for my other guns   :-)
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what do you guys use to meter the powder?
« Reply #3 on: October 09, 2004, 02:01:34 AM »
Is it true I should keep the BP out of my powder measure?
And if so are there any other clever methods of powder measuring?
Thanks fellas

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How to load bp(777) in my 44-40?
« Reply #4 on: October 09, 2004, 04:54:25 AM »
Lot's of controversy on this subject.  I've lost the letter and url, due to a dead harddrive,  from one of the bigwigs at Goex that states there is not a problem, there are a lot of people that have done independent research in trying to ignite BP with static electricty and have been unable do do it.
My personal opinion is that you can't develop enough static charge by using plastic powder measures to ignite bp.  Many disagree with my opinion, but no one has ever been able to give me an instance to repute my belief.  
This is one of those things you're going to have to research for yourself and make your own judgement.
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How to load bp(777) in my 44-40?
« Reply #5 on: October 09, 2004, 08:35:06 PM »
I load a lot of BP cartridge and I think i can give you a few pointer based on my experience. First, the bullets will perform best if cast from a led/tin alloy without any antimony at all. I like a 1/30 tin to lead alloy. The reason for this is that this alloy will bump up and fill the bore upon firing. Size them to exactly what your bore is. If .452 then cast and size at .452. Second, the best lube for BP hands down is SPG. It's soft enough to keep fouling soft and it lubes well enough to prevent leading. Third, you need to use a card wad of about .030 thickness between the powder and the bullet base. This will help prevent eroding of the bullet base. You can get them cheap from buffaloarms.com. Again, get wads that match your bore size, in this case, if you're shooting a 45 cal get 45 cal wads.  Fourth, use a course grade powder. In pistol, 3f is good. To get a good charge in the case you will need a 24 inch drop tube. Any 24" length of copper or brass tubing will do. Charges should be dropped into a funnel and into the case via this tube. If using triple 7 you should not use a drop tube though. The tube will allow a great deal more powder to be placed into the case. A good thing with BP, a bad thing with Trip 7. Finally, all bullets should compress the powder slightly, say 1/8 inch to 1/4 inch with bp or pyrodex. With Trip 7, the bullet should just touch the powder. Crimping should be very light. Now, as to the powder measure. Plastic will eventually cause a problem. All of the makes will tell you so if asked. Lyman makes a metal measure for this and a Belding and Mull measure can be obtained from ebay. however, until then just scoop charges using a case cut to the appropriate length. Try making a few hundred rounds. If after this you still want to go with  BP or Trip 7, buy a BP rated measure. If all of this sounds like a bother, then I'd steer clear of BP and use smokeless. If however, all of this intrigues you and adds to the mystique, then Hallelujah and Jubile, you're a BP shooter! Welcome to the club.
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