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Offline Dali Llama

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Wisconsin: Concessions Don't Work
« on: August 10, 2004, 12:50:00 PM »
Wisconsin: Concessions Don't Work
By Larry Pratt (03/11/2004)

Legalization of a constitutional right to carry a concealed firearm will not happen for Wisconsin gun owners thanks to the governor's veto and the treachery of one of the measure's sponsors in the state House, Rep. Gary Sherman (D-Port Wing).

Sherman, having sponsored the bill when it was introduced in the House, was the single vote that killed the effort to override the governor's veto. Why Sherman would do this is perplexing since he comes from a district that voted over eight-to-one for adding language in 1998 to the Wisconsin constitution protecting the individual right to keep and bear arms. Perhaps he has planned to return to private life after the next election.

Sherman (and the others opposed to concealed carry) should be held to account for the murder of every unarmed victim in Wisconsin from now until the final passage of concealed carry legislation.

Assessment of what happened is needed before charging up the hill again.

Proponents of self-defense conducted themselves, in a word, as if they were on the defensive - even though they were trying to enact a bill!

SB 214 made enormous concessions to opponents of self-defense. The first and fatal concession was to offer a bill to let the state permit carrying concealed firearms. Next, decent citizens would have been forced to jump through onerous hoops before they could exercise their right of self defense. Proponents of self-defense were conceding that the state has the authority to determine who should be able to defend themselves.

The immorality of this assumption needs to be challenged at every opportunity. Those demanding state approval for self-defense must be made to defend themselves against the fundamental immorality of their program of state sponsored victimization.

Those who insist on regulating a fundamental natural right should also be made to explain why criminals are already carrying concealed firearms illegally. What happy knowledge do proponents possess to share with the rest of us as to why a law permitting, with many restrictions, the concealed carry of firearms will keep the bad guys from packing heat, when they presently could care less about the law?

As a practical matter, gun haters screamed just as loud when faced with a restrictive carry bill as they would have if faced with a bill that allowed for concealed carry with no restrictions. There are no in-between views in the anti-self-defense camp. All measures to empower citizen self-defense are libeled as leading to road rage shootouts and barroom bloodletting. Any gun in a private hand in the mind of the gun grabbers is a gun that will inevitably kill. The corollary for them is that only guns in government hands can be viewed as safe. Both are demonstrably false assumptions.

How America could enjoy a negligible murder rate for its first centuries without a police force (the first one was in 1835 in Boston), with a nearly universally armed populace, is something the socialist mindset will never understand. Fact of the matter is, police are still not involved in protection. There never will be enough of them to protect individual citizens.

If police officers do not trust their fellow citizens to be armed as are they, it would be better for those officers to find another line of work. After all, "We the People" are the boss over every government official. Any employee who thinks his boss is a lethal klutz should move to another company at once. Otherwise, don't complain when bad things happen. And don't run around bad-mouthing the boss while taking a check from him.

Wisconsin's Supreme Court has indicated that it might very well find the entire ban on concealed carry of firearms (still on the books) unconstitutional in view of the 1998 amendment overwhelmingly supported by the voters. This is a fair reading of its decision in the Hamdan case in which they overturned that part of the ban affecting Mr. Hamdan, who was carrying concealed on his own premises.

That would be the best possible outcome. Then pusillanimous legislators and the insulting opinion held by anti-self-defense proponents of their fellow citizens would amount to absolutely nothing.

What would happen if a case were to go to the Wisconsin Supremes and they were to leave Wisconsin without any concealed carry requirements to be administered by the state? In other words, what would happen if anybody in Wisconsin could carry a concealed firearm without the government's permission?

The answer is, criminals would be terrorized and Wisconsin's violent crime and murder rates would decline. The blood we would find running in the street would be that of criminals no longer able to rely on the legislators to protect them from armed citizens.

Wisconsin would then be the third state to empower its citizens to defend themselves - Vermont and Alaska having already preceded them by eliminating their restrictions on concealed carry. Of course, New Hampshire or Montana could be the next state if it takes too long for a case to reach the Wisconsin Supreme Court for a decision. The latter two states are considering joining Vermont and Alaska in the concealed carry freedom column.

Let us hope that the Wisconsin Supremes will soon be given the chance to get the government's hand out of the citizens' holsters. (It would be nice if government got its other hand out of the citizens' pocketbooks, too.)

Hopefully the day will come when Wisconsin pro-defense legislators will read (and take to heart) the message of retired California State Senator H.L. Richardson's book, Confrontational Politics. Many who have read the book contacted Gun Owners of America to say: "Now I understand why gun owners (and often, Republicans) keep losing." The book is free to any legislator interested in reading it. Anyone else can get it from the Bookstore on the Gun Owners of America website: http://www.gunowners.org.

 
 
Larry Pratt has been Executive Director of Gun Owners of America for more than 25 years. GOA is a national membership organization of 300,000 Americans dedicated to promoting their second amendment freedom to keep and bear arms.
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« Reply #1 on: August 10, 2004, 05:41:29 PM »
The WI Supreme Court all ready ruled that WI should have a CC law something the Liberal pukes and the Liberal anti gun Gov ignored!  :evil:  :evil:  :evil:
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« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2004, 01:29:19 AM »
Quote from: jh45gun
The WI Supreme Court all ready ruled that WI should have a CC law something the Liberal pukes and the Liberal anti gun Gov ignored!  :evil:  :evil:  :evil:
That be unusual twist, say Dali Llama.  Dali say that quite often courts make unpopular decisions that must then be reined in via legislative action.
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« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2004, 02:01:18 AM »
We'll probably need a pro-gun, pro-CCW governor or a pro-gun landslide in the legislature to pass concealed carry into law in this state.  Doyle is just too passionately anti-gun and the legislature too evenly divided (ie: not enough votes for an override) to get it passed in the government's present configuration.

Also never forget that this state is in love with the institution of government and that manifests itself with outrageously high taxes, an anti-business climate, and the idea that only cops are to carry around guns for non-hunting purposes.  I've said this many times before, but even normally conservative Wisconsinites I know are anti-CCW because they just can't believe that folks can be trusted with this form of freedom.

I think CCW is a litmus test on what a person ultimately thinks about freedom and the role of government in our lives.  If a government is going to screw around with your gun rights it is also very likely to tax and regulate you a lot.

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« Reply #4 on: August 11, 2004, 03:36:19 AM »
Mauser I have lots of friends that hunt yet do not belong to the NRA because they figure no one will ever take their deer rifle these same folks who do not own a hand gun or if they do figure no one needs to carry for protection either. Its a sad deal that even Liberal MN got CC before WI did but then both have their shares of liberals and MN is fighting to keep theirs now because they tacked it on the the back of a bill. If I would have known that at the time I would have not been so happy about it as I would have known that the MN libs would attack that and they did. I also knew if Doyle got elected we would be stuck with not having CC. There is enough libs and a strong teachers union in WI that I bet will keep him elected for a while  :evil:
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« Reply #5 on: August 11, 2004, 08:05:10 AM »
Quote from: Mauser
I think CCW is a litmus test on what a person ultimately thinks about freedom and the role of government in our lives.  If a government is going to screw around with your gun rights it is also very likely to tax and regulate you a lot.
That be excellent point, say Dali Llama. :-)
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