Author Topic: New gun owner - 12g Pardner pump (Read 1720 times)

Sentry1 · « **on:** June 13, 2004, 03:53:47 AM »

Hi all..

Just bought my 1st gun. 12 gauge pardner pump.

I asked the salesperson for an overall general purpose hunting, skeet shooting gun and this is what they "sold" me on..

I really liked the Remington 12g. synthetic stock better, but I was sold on the "budget value" of the H&R/NEF he pitched me on.

Well, I know I'm doing this backwards..I usually do better research before I make a purchase..

But does anyone have this gun, and use it for overall hunting/sport..i.e. deer, waterfowl, clay shooting, etc..

Any feedback is appreciated.

Markus · « **Reply #1 on:** June 13, 2004, 06:24:41 AM »

Congradulations on your decision to get into hunting and shooting. Now before you shoot that gun take it back and get the 870. This gun is basically a clone of the 870 with just enough different to prevent interchangability. This gun was litterally produce by the chinese military. Not a group if you're an American you want to support. I don't think they make any accessory barrels for it and haven't seen or heard of any aftermarket accessories. Go on ebay and do a search for 870 Barrel or 870 stock and you'll be amazed at what is available. Mossy maverick and 500 are also proven Made in USA designs. I don't think you'll find many fans of this gun. If not because it's a cheap knock off, because of it's origion. I bet the salesman didn't make a big pont ofg telling you that it's a chinese gun. Good luck man.

lik2hunt · « **Reply #2 on:** June 13, 2004, 07:15:51 AM »

Well I guess it was inevitably going to happen sooner or later huh? :wink:

Look man we aren't trying to be hard about this and we sure don't want to make you feel unwelcome, it's just that......well check out these links and you'll see.

http://www.graybeardoutdoors.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=30406&highlight=pardner+pump
http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?t=18042
http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?t=18994

Welcome to ya though and GOOD SHOOTIN'

MSP Ret · « **Reply #3 on:** June 13, 2004, 08:19:50 AM »

Sentry1, I congratulate for usually doing more research into things before you make a (hasty) decision. I also suggest you return the chinese made gun which in fact supports the (North) Chinese military against the USA. Buy yourself something else. Both suggestions above were valid. A used Remington 870 or a Mossberg 500 series, perhaps a nice used Ithaca. All better guns and you have not supported a sworn enemy of the USA....<><.... :shock:

Rogmatt · « **Reply #4 on:** June 13, 2004, 04:38:07 PM »

lik2hunt, I remember those posts. Don't get me started. And with the passing of President Reagan, my hero, I am on the anti-communist bandwagon again. China is going to be worse than the Soviet Union, thanks to clinton for giving them guidance technology.

lik2hunt · « **Reply #5 on:** June 13, 2004, 04:41:26 PM »

R.I.P. President Regan, a great American Patriot.
And R.I.P. (Rise In Power) President Bush, another true great American Patriot!

Sentry1 · « **Reply #6 on:** June 13, 2004, 04:47:17 PM »

Thanks for the INFORMATIVE replies..

unfortunately, I have already test shot it and can't take it back..

Reading those links really puts a pit in my stomach knowing my $$ went to China.

Oh well, nothing I can do now.

Thanks guys.

lik2hunt · « **Reply #7 on:** June 13, 2004, 04:55:43 PM »

I'll tell ya what Sentry, you go on and enjoy that gun, after all it is an NEF....sorta. Noone here is gonna hold anything against ya for it.

In fact after you shoot the new off of it, let us know how it does. I'm sure it will be pretty comparable to the 870, in shouldering and firing, recoil, etc. Don't know if it will match it in quality though. And if and when you get ready for another shotgun, may I recommend the Pardner in any gauge you like. Check out some of Scruffy's posts on that gun here and you'll be impressed. It is WELL worth the $$$.

Sentry1 · « **Reply #8 on:** June 13, 2004, 05:08:25 PM »

Like2hunt. Thanks.

Amen on the scripture verse bud!

BTW I bought my gun at Bass Pro Shops.. ANd all firearms sales are final..

Shame an ALL AMERICAN company like that selling this product.

As for the firing.. I can't say that I can lend any meaningful feedback there since this is my first and only experience with shotgun.

Overall I liked the performance.. I managed to hit the target area from 75 feet away 90% of the time.. I thought that was good for a beginner. :?

Shoulder's a little bruised though. LOL! :grin: Gettin' the hang of the recoil.

lik2hunt · « **Reply #9 on:** June 14, 2004, 11:36:01 AM »

It used to be Romans 5:8 was my favorite but after a little spiritual maturity I find the one I have in my signature now better applies. Thanks for noticing.
You'll get used to the recoil and get better at accuracy too. How many chokes did ya get with that thing and what kind are they? Did the guy tell ya or are they listed in the manual maybe. I'm assuming they are the Win-choke system chokes like all the other Pardners are.
Check out some more shotgun forums and read, read, read. You'll be pretty knowledgable pretty fast. Just do a Google.com search for shotgun forums and I'm sure you'll find enough to keep ya busy for awhile.

DaveH · « **Reply #10 on:** June 14, 2004, 01:10:56 PM »

Hey Sentry1

Don't worry one of these days we will be over there and I will make it a point to get your money back for you......Sound like Bass Pro shop will be off limits to me when I get back home......Damn and I loved spending my quite monments there.

A BIG HELLO to all the fine guys and Gals on this forum !!!!!!
Things are going just about the same over here. We patrol they run and hide we go back to garrison they come out and blow something up. We come out they run and hide.........
But hey we did get a fresh supply of cermanic body armor....This crap is awsome........
It will withstand a full 7.62 round and just flatten it out....
Now I can't swear to how the wearer would be feeling but it won't penetrate........

I don't think it will do much against the damn suicide bomber but it does make us feel better wearing it.

Well another day starts for me.......

EVERYONE take care.

RIP President Regan
God Bless America
Keep the Faith

MSP Ret · « **Reply #11 on:** June 14, 2004, 03:07:04 PM »

DaveH, There in spirit with you and our prayers are with you also...Stay safe and glad you got the new ceramic body armour. Don't let it change the way you operate, keep your head down and shoot straight....<><.... :grin:

lik2hunt · « **Reply #12 on:** June 14, 2004, 04:58:38 PM »

Dave - Good to hear from ya again and to know you're doing well. Follow the good advice of MSP and get home safe and soon. Git ur done!

buckslayer · « **Reply #13 on:** June 15, 2004, 09:50:33 AM »

congrads on the nw gun :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D just 'cause you now your new gun money went to china dosn't mean you didn't get a great gun :-D :-D :-D i got some money and was torn between the new pump and the handi-rifle[i got the handi :-D rifle] HAVE FUN AND SHOOT THE NEW GUN :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D
later

buckslayer :wink:

ScatterGunner · « **Reply #14 on:** June 17, 2004, 02:53:21 PM »

not to drag this thread out any longer but if we swore off all chinese stuff we would not have:

98% of our clothes (good for guys if you are a female !!)

personal computers (bad for most businesses and graybeard !)

sneakers (really bad for people who wear sneakers)

the list goes on.

now before anyone calls me a commie, i too distrust and hold distain for the evil abusive conniving yellow bellied communist chinese government. i think communism sucks the life force out of people.

but, they use our raw materials, we take advantage of their labor, who is paid a bowl of rice and a promise to not to get shot per day. american companies (probably ones that you own stock in or invest in) ship using an unending fleet of tankers, raw and semi-raw materials to china, and on the flip side, take finished goods back to us at a price well below what they could be sold for if assembled in the USA. that's a fact that will not change until the chinese people start buying all that stuff they are building for us. then we will have to find another country to abuse.

sadly enough, harley davidson, the maker of my fine motorcycle, has 100% of its' clothing and accessories made in china.

harley davidson !!??!!

so given the logic of this thread, harley owners are commie lovers !

yes, they say china has missles pointed at us, so did the russians. in the final analysis, those missiles proved either non-existant or non-functional. i can't believe that a country of peasants could come close to being a military threat to us, missiles or not. they are just like the old soviet union, waiting to collapse like a house of cards. if i had to guess, every grunt in the chinese army is about as motivated as the standard russian dude was back in mr gorbechev's days.

my last point is that a good friend of mine bought a pardner pump. he heard it was made in china but based on finances, he made his choice to purchase one. it was $150 or so at a local gun store. my friend is an honest hard working guy who has to watch his pennies because he doesn't command a huge income, he has responsibilities too, kids need clothes, braces, etc. but he wanted a shotgun to shoot birds with me. he can't afford an 870 and i wouldn't be shooting birds with him if he didnt get his pardner pump.

so before we blast people, and american companies who use foreign labor, we should examine our own stock portfolio's and houses to see how much chinese stuff you (we) have. i'll bet no one on this board has more american made stuff (guns) than chinese made products in their house !

i shot the pardner pump, it patterns good, feeds and cycles well, and cost what was within the budget of a good friend of mine who is not a commie.

sg

lik2hunt · « **Reply #15 on:** June 18, 2004, 01:57:00 AM »

SG - Good post, can't disagree with your logic and debate. All I can really say is look up Busta'yote on this forum and read his signature. :wink:

Sentry1 · « **Reply #16 on:** August 01, 2004, 12:09:34 PM »

Good signature but I'll further refine it.....

Corporate greed is fueled by the Incessant pressure from Shareholders for PROFITS...

So the greed originates from Anytown America!!

As one who has worked for a publicly traded company before.. I know first-hand the pressure to meet Wall Street expectations on quarterly/annual profits.. All to please the Shareholders...

Those pressures breed the greed.

gwhilikerz · « **Reply #17 on:** August 02, 2004, 05:45:37 AM »

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Sentry1, I congratulate for usually doing more research into things before you make a (hasty) decision. I also suggest you return the chinese made gun which in fact supports the (North) Chinese military against the USA. Buy yourself something else. Both suggestions above were valid. A used Remington 870 or a Mossberg 500 series, perhaps a nice used Ithaca. All better guns and you have not supported a sworn enemy of the USA....<><....
Does this quote and the others I have seen about buying Chinese mean that H&R/NEF and Marlin support the Chinese govt/army? If that is true then why in the world are we buying H&R/NEF? (other than they are great little guns). :twisted: :twisted: Sorry, my little devil had to come out on this one.
In this day and age it is almost impossible to buy strictly American. Even bedrock American companies deal in some way with those most of us consider enemies. That's just a fact we must deal with.
I don't own a Pardner pump and don't intend to buy one. But you better believe if buying a gun put a pinch on my budget I would consider the Pardner when the Remingtons and Mossbergs cost twice as much. What I am trying to say is don't knock another man's decision on guns. We all buy our guns for different reasons and under different circumstances. And who knows? Maybe someday that Pardner pump will blow a chinese soldier back out the front door of its owner's home. :grin: :grin:

shaner · « **Reply #18 on:** August 03, 2004, 01:33:31 PM »

iam not goin to the political mumbo, the report in guns & ammo mag gave it high ratings so i guess u did good

BillinOregon · « **Reply #19 on:** August 25, 2004, 04:33:43 PM »

Saw one of these today, and liked it better than the 870 Express sitting next to it, not to mention it was $100 cheaper. I think the American way is to have faith in the power of the market system and in capitalism as a unifying and positive force in the world. That means rewarding efficient producers, and if that means better incomes for Chinese workers, more profits for H&R and well-made hunting tools for hunters, I think there are winners all around.

Rogmatt · « **Reply #20 on:** August 26, 2004, 01:06:26 AM »

I am the one who originally posted the link between H&R and Chinese military, on this forum and others. I have never advocated not buying them or take them back. Way back on the old H&R site, people were wondering how the supply chain went, and after researching it, I spelled it out in detail. I have also stated that it is a decent made gun. The are fairly good looking, and Walmart in my area sells them for 149.99. I understand the attraction to them, I was tempted myself to get one. but already enough pumps in 12 Ga. It is hard to go to Walmart oe any other store and not buy something made in China, because labor is cheap there and they have so many people, people will work for very little.
Bottom line is this, the chinese military ownership of Norinco does bother me some, but not enough to not buy one if the price was irresistable. It is a well made, good looking gun, and H&R can now benefit from the pump market, I just hope they put some of the Pardner Pump profit back into it's existing USA shotgun & rifle line and give us some new offerings.