45-70 what action to use

[warf73]

I'm getting real serious about making me a bolt action 45-70.
Have it fitted with an 18-20" barrel and there you have one heck of a brush gun.

I would be pouring my own bullets for this rifle.

The slug would run around 1200-1400 FPS and the gun wouldn’t be used on anything beyond 100yards. The actual use of this rifle is meant for inside of 75yards. So it would be my stocking rifle while in the thick stuff for hogs/deer.

What action should I use?

The action should be able to handle Ruger #1 pressures just in case I ever get a hair to throttle it up.


Your thoughts please.

Thanks Warf

[Harry Snippe]

Siamese Mauser

Questions! Questions ! Always Questions.

And were could a fella from the North in Canada  buy one?
Then again How much does one weigh?

Would you want to carry it all day in the bush type of Gun?

[pc]

Personally I would opt for a Marlin Lever or find a Winchester 1886 Extra lite replica...I have one on the way  

If you want more than the 45/70 can offer buy yourself a cz 550 in .458 lott...there a lott of fun  :lol:

[Paparock]

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[Lawdog]

Warf,

Have it fitted with an 18-20" barrel and there you have one heck of a brush gun.

You got to be kidding, RIGHT???  Got any idea what the muzzle blast is going to be like?   :eek:   It makes me wonder why bird shooters say a shotgun with a 26 inch barrel is the optimum for hunting in heavy brush and rifles hunters want a barrel short enough to stick them in a holster on their hip.  Strange.  Lawdog
   :-D

[bgjohn]

Warf,

Have it fitted with an 18-20" barrel and there you have one heck of a brush gun.

You got to be kidding, RIGHT???  Got any idea what the muzzle blast is going to be like?   :eek:   It makes me wonder why bird shooters say a shotgun with a 26 inch barrel is the optimum for hunting in heavy brush and rifles hunters want a barrel short enough to stick them in a holster on their hip.  Strange.  Lawdog
   :-D

T :eek: he muzzle blast would be about the same as the 1873 trapdoor Springfield carbine. What's wrong with that? :?
JM

[Lawdog]

bgjohn,

The muzzle blast from an un-ported Marlin Guide gun is about what you will experience.  Guess what, it is bad.  Been around a few that showed up at the range and the blast is uncomfortable just to be around.  A kid I went to high school(back in the early 1960’s) with did a sort of custom job on a Springfield .30-06.  To make it a “brush” gun he cut the barrel to 20 inches.  No one wanted to be around him when he shot that thing.  He ended up trading it to a gunsmith that wanted the action.  The blast from a 18 - 20 inch barreled .45-70 is going to damage your hearing unless you wear proper protection.  Hard to hunt with plugs in your ears.  I just hate to see a person subject themselves to damaging their hearing when it’s not necessary.  I know what it’s like to hunt brush that is thick and never seen the need for a barrel shorter than 24 inches.  My $.02 on the need of short barrels.  Small groups and tight lines to you.  Lawdog
 

[warf73]

I'm still looking for a rifle.
I found several actions but after I got the barrel and smith work done....well its more than I'm willing to spend on a rifle that is going to be drug threw the brush.

The Gibbs 45-70 is a very nice set up built on an Enfield.303 action.
I would buy one if any nows were I can buy one.
But they are no longer selling them.

So as of right now the barrel is not a big concern.
The whole gun is :grin:

Thanks for your input on the barrel.

I have a 20" barrel M44 that is loud, but not as loud as my 300wby that is ported.

Warf

[Lawdog]

warf73,

I have a 20" barrel M44 that is loud, but not as loud as my 300wby that is ported.

This I would bet on.   :roll:   Loudness is why NO rifle needs to be ported(or have a brake installed).  Other ways(cheaper and better) to take care of the recoil problem.  Keep us informed on your progress with your project.  Lawdog
 

[warf73]

It's hard to remove the ports when there part of the barrel :shock:
Not like I can unscrew the ports on my MarkV in 460.

The only 2 rifles I have that are ported are my 2 wby mags and are factory ported so its not buy my choice.

I have a line a Brand New GIBBS SUMMIT for $500.00 but thats still more than I'm willing to spend right now. I have a line on 2 more for $350.00 think I might jump on one of them.

Thank you for dropping me PM's on the 45-70's in bolt keep them coming guys.

Thanks Warf

[Gowge]

Warf, why not get a nice Remington 870 with fully rifled barrel and just shoot big full bore slugs?   Winchester offered a 70-150 Model 1887 Rifle long time ago in a lever action.   Started life as a 12ga Rolling Block Lever Action Shotgun, so Winchester just installed a rifled barrel.  They necked down a BRASS 12ga shell for the .730 slug and voila!  You gotta' 70-150 Winchester!   The biggest and baddest Winchester Lever Action ever produced!!  

Details & Photos:  http://shootersforum.com/showthread.htm?t=14386

"An original John Browning design, the Model 1887 12 and 10 ga. lever-action shotgun is one of the rarest and most unusual shotguns ever built. Total production between 1887 and 1898 was only 64,855 guns, and then an improved Model 1901 in 10 ga. only was introduced.

A lesser-known, but fascinating fact is that Winchester actually chambered the M1887 for the 70-150 Winchester rifle cartridge based on a necked-down brass, 12 ga. shotgun shell. The load was 150 grs. of powder with a bullet of 700 and 900 grs. Three such guns are known to exist.

The "New Model" 1887 was reverse-engineered from the improved Model 1901 and is now produced by the famous ADI Limited Lithgow Facility in Austrialia, that currently produces Steyr AUG and FN small arms for Australian and other defense forces.

Lithgow's Model 1887 is a finely fitted and finished 2 3/4" 12 ga. shotgun of historic significance. It sports an improved cylinder, 22" chrome-lined barrel, and American walnut stocks, and weighs 8.75 lbs. The magazine accepts five shells, and the rolling-block action is smooth as silk.

Suggested retail price is S1,195, and considering the complexity of the action, that's a reasonable price. This traditional Model 1887 will sell well with the cowboy action shooters, and those who simply enjoy owning and shooting something a bit different and tinged with nostalgia."

The modern day 12bore version of the 70-150 is a Dixie Slugs "Terminator Express" of 740grains @ 1250fps.  






L to R

70-150-900gr Winchester
.58 Berdan Musket centrefire
50-70 US Govt Benet cup primed
45-75 Winchester
45-50 Peabody
44-60 Sharps
50-70 USG centerfire

[warf73]

I thank you for your reply but I have a 10ga. that I have loads for:

Load number: F103RS
Gauge: 10
Shell Length: 3.5 inches; 89mm
Dram Equiv.: Magnum
Slug Weight: 1 3/4 ounces, 766 grains
Slug Type: Classic Rifled Slug, Hollow Point

Federal's rifled slugs provide maximum knockdown power. A special, one-piece cushioned wad helps reduce felt recoil, while the hollow point gives it positive expansion. For use in smooth-bore barrels.

Test Barrel Length: 32"

Velocity In Feet Per Second (To Nearest 10 FPS):
- Muzzle: 1280
- 25yds: 1160
- 50yds: 1080
- 75yds: 1020
- 100yds: 970

Energy In Foot-Pounds (To Nearest 5 Foot-Pounds):
- Muzzle: 2785
- 25yds: 2295
- 50yds: 1980
- 75yds: 1775
- 100yds: 1605

Height of Slug Trajectory in Inches Above of Below Line of Sight if Zeroed At 50 Yards (Sights .5 Inches Above Bore Line):
- 25yds: +0.5
- 50yds: N/A
- 75yds: -2.3
- 100yds: -6.7

But I want a 45-70 in bolt action not a lever gun. If I wanted to shoot slugs I would I have about 250 of the loads above.

Thanks Warf

[ajj]

Warf: I got a kick out of your post. I got an NEF 10 ga and mounted a cheap red dot sight to play with that slug load. Shoots great to 50 yards. Might be OK at 100 if I ever get around to replacing the "modified" choke tube. Fun, isn't it?

[warf73]

Yes it is.

It's realy more impressive than my 460wby shooting 55gal barrels.

[Gowge]

Here's a nice lookin' 45-70 Bolt Action you might like...

http://hem.bredband.net/b102212/singles.html

Rifle No. 45
This rifle was very similar to the above mentioned bolt actions, except that it had a somewhat "beefier" receiver and bolt, and a longer barrel.
Made from 1915 to 1932, and chambered for the .45-70 cartridge. The length of the octagonal barrel was 68cm (27"), and it was marked "Husqvarna Vapenfabriks AB .45-70".

Rifles below are a 45-70 repeater and a 30-30 single shot from Husqvarna.



GOOD LUCK!  

[86er]

 Not a high pressure number, was it? If you want a repeater that can "take it", then forget the bolt gun and grab a Winchester Model 1886. :lol: