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Forced to change my mind about Kerry for president
« on: August 31, 2004, 05:53:13 AM »
I have been forced to change my mind.

I now favor kerry for president.

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« Reply #1 on: August 31, 2004, 07:00:01 AM »
....but they wouldn't want him.....his wife maybe.
....make it count

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« Reply #2 on: August 31, 2004, 11:33:55 AM »
Not even France deserves Kerry.


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« Reply #3 on: August 31, 2004, 01:13:10 PM »
I am thinking about voting for kerry

The only reason is this:

If Bush wins hellery clinton will run in 2008 and more then likely she will win :evil:    then talk about a mess the country will be in.

Now if kerry wins in 04  she will not be able to run in 2008 so we will be safe for at least another 8 years

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« Reply #4 on: August 31, 2004, 01:17:56 PM »
That's some MIGHTY POOR LOGIC Ricky.

If Kerry wins in 2004 there is no sense concerning yourself about 2008. There won't be a United States of America in 2008. It will be a subordinate state in the UN. I'd suggest you rethink the logic of that move.


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« Reply #5 on: August 31, 2004, 02:21:09 PM »
I was joking about voting for Kerry (no selfrespecting gun owner will vote "Dumb-a-crap"), but I was dead serous about Hillery running in 2008 if Bush wins.

Bill was bad enough but he was mostly worried about getting mud for his duck. Hillery will do everything she can to drive this country into the ground and give the money of the hard working people to the lazy P.O.S. that think the government owes them a paycheck for doing nothing.

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« Reply #6 on: August 31, 2004, 02:28:28 PM »
Quote from: Graybeard

If Kerry wins in 2004 there is no sense concerning yourself about 2008. There won't be a United States of America in 2008. It will be a subordinate state in the UN.


Don't you mean if BUSH wins?
Who was it who stuck us back in UNESCO after all the work it took to convince Reagan to get us out?
Who was it that did more to destroy our freedoms in four years than Clinton managed to accomplish in eight?
If the last four years are what we get with Republican Senate, House and administration, then it would be idiotic to keep voting for the crooks.

Theorem:
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.
Corollary:
Voting for Republicrats is nuts.

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« Reply #7 on: August 31, 2004, 07:15:00 PM »
First time I've ever heard Bush accused of being TOO cosey with U.N..
What freedom have I lost?
Haven't seen any repeats of 9-11.
Haven't been all that happy about some of the things the present administration has done/not done but the only other choice is Kerry.
Not too bad is waaaaay better than scum.

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« Reply #8 on: September 01, 2004, 01:41:22 AM »
Quote from: Doc.2/47
First time I've ever heard Bush accused of being TOO cosey with U.N..
What freedom have I lost?
Haven't seen any repeats of 9-11.  ...the only other choice is Kerry.
Not too bad is waaaaay better than scum.


But 95% scum isn't that much better than 100%.
We are too cozy with the UN, have been since the UN became a socialist organization 30-40 years ago. Anybody who moves us closer instead of farther is our enemy. The USA left one of the most socialist UN subsidiaries back when Reagan was president. The Clinton administration didn't re-enroll us, but the Bush administration did.  
Of course you haven't seen a repeat of 9-11, unless you count the normal traffic deaths over any three week period. How many years were there between the bombing (with a truck) of the world trade center and the bombing (with aircraft full of JP-4) of the world trade center?  9-11 is just an excuse to restrict the rights of citizens while greatly expanding the size and powers of government. The Patriot Act was the JBT's Police-State wish list, now Bush wants to expand it.(the same would have happened under Gore or Kerry, but the Rs in congress would have been less willing to rubber-stamp their proposals)

I take it you never tried to express your political views in public in the last couple of years. If you'd tried to carry an anti-Kerry sign in front of the DNC in Boston, you'd have been beat up and locked up. That's free speech in Bush's America. Read these two links:
http://reason.com/links/links020504.shtml
http://www.vulnwatch.org/misc/pics/free-speech-pen/

(Kerry the hypocrite would probably let us protest the Republicans, Bush won't let us protest either side)

Mclain-Feingold was an attempt to limit free speech to the two main parties and the media. The people responded with section 527 organizations, Bush wants those silenced too.

And why do people who have watched the Democrats and Republicans attack the Bill of Rights for longer than any of us have been alive act like there are only two candidates in this election? I am not suggesting that you vote for Skerry. Check the "WWW" button at the bottom of my posts, it leads to a very anti-Kerry site.

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so then in conclusion????
« Reply #9 on: September 01, 2004, 05:17:24 AM »
You are saying that we are screwed no matter  WHO wins. We already know that.  At least we KNOW where we stand with Bush.  Sure he has some faults...sure, he hasn't pleased everyone...but I think G.W. is a necessary evil.  There are just to many 'unknowns' with Kerry....but judging by what we DO know...I can make an educated guess about the mess Kerry and his U.N. Wife will get us in.  But hell....I guess spending Euros and being required to learn a new language wouldn't be too bad.
....make it count

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« Reply #10 on: September 01, 2004, 10:20:08 AM »
If you think the Republicans are too liberal I suggest you start local and work your way up to the House and Senate gettnig a Libertarian elected. In this election, if you vote Libertarian for President you might as well vote for Kerry because thats what you will get. It is plain ignorant and boneheaded to vote for a Libertarian for President because there is ZERO chance of them winning.  A protest vote is worth zero.  A Libertarian CAN NOT win and you are doing exactly what Kerry wants you to do.  The Libertarian party needs to wake up and start attacking races they have a chance of winning like local and state.  Later you can bring candidates who have a chance od winning up to higher office as they gain power and a voter base instead of screwing things up for all of us and getting Kerry elected who is a LOT worse than Bush not just a little. Time to suck it up and do whats best for the country and your fellow shooters. Despite whatever wrongs (real or imagined) you feel Bush has done the fact is that its either Bush or Kerry that will be in the Whitehouse so make your choice and vote accordingly.

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« Reply #11 on: September 01, 2004, 03:42:41 PM »
Right on azshooter,

The fact is that it’s either Bush or Kerry that will be in the Whitehouse.   As much as I would like to see a different party take charge, it will not happen until the Senate and/or the House has a majority of another party for them to work with.   Until then I will not throw away my vote on a lost cause that will give Kerry an edge.   For that reason I will go Bush all the way.

Also, while there have been things done this last 3 and a half years I am not crazy about, none of them has changed my personal life one bit.   I can guarantee that if Kerry makes it in I will have many things affect me personally.
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« Reply #12 on: September 01, 2004, 05:01:58 PM »
I hope all listened to Miller and Cheney tonight.
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« Reply #13 on: September 02, 2004, 04:06:40 AM »
I hope Dubya listened to Zell's speech.  Zell Miller for Sec. of Defense?
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« Reply #14 on: September 02, 2004, 11:29:40 AM »
Didn't our Unbelievably Cool California Governator thrill
everyone with his speech at the RNC?

I sure hope you saw his great speech.

     

That was a dynamite speech he gave and already the Network Anchors are talking about passing
that bill in congress that will let long term naturalized citizens become President.

Even though Arnold is a Republican, he is MORE a Democrat than a Republican,
.........because look who he married...one of the biggest Democrats in the world:


                 Arnold and wife, Maria (Kennedy) Shriver

Unlike the Republican platform, he opposes a constitutional
amendment to ban gay marriage and is PRO-Choice.
Good for him!


This is how I am starting to
look from all my working out.


Tommers, you would vote for Arnold here because
he rides a motorcycle as the Terminator, right?

See Arnold Call Democrats "Girly Men" in a video
See Arnold's Political web site

For more about our illustrious California Governor, see:
http://www.schwarzenegger.com/en/index.asp
http://peacecorpsonline.org/messages/messages/2629/2016762.html

Visit the web site of the First Lady
of our Glorious State of California:
Maria Shriver's own site

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Schwarzenegger Steals Show

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NEW YORK - The Republican National Convention went up close and personal Tuesday night, hearing the stories of a president agonizing over the awesome consequences of his power and a poor immigrant who conquered the worlds of competitive bodybuilding, show business and politics to become governor of the nation’s largest state.

The women in his life gave delegates and a national audience a glimpse of George W. Bush as a husband and a father, portraying him as a man of “strength and conviction.” But they were upstaged by California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, who thrilled the convention with his Horatio Alger-like tale and enthusiastically urged Americans to re-elect Bush as the guardian of that heritage of opportunity.

Curiously recalling how he heard the words of Richard Nixon in 1968 as “a breath of fresh air” — the first time the disgraced Nixon’s name had been mentioned nearly halfway through the convention.

Schwarzenegger said: “My fellow Americans, this is an amazing moment for me. To think that a once-scrawny boy from Austria could grow up to become governor of California and stand in Madison Square Garden to speak on behalf of the president of the United States — that is an immigrant’s dream. It is the American dream.”

“To my fellow immigrants listening tonight, I want you to know how welcome you are in this party,” he said, speaking forcefully to the cheering crowd, as if in exclamation points. “We Republicans admire your ambition. We encourage your dreams. We believe in your future.

“One thing I learned about America is that if you work hard and play by the rules, this country is truly open to you. You can achieve anything.”

‘Don’t be economic girlie men!’ Of course, the proven crowd-pleaser could not resist poking at his own long career as a champion bodybuilder and the star of movies punctuated by explosions, car chases and relentless gunbattles.

“What a greeting!” Schwarzenegger said after a cheering ovation of more than two minutes. “This is like winning an Oscar — as if I would know!”

And Schwarzenegger joked, “To those critics who are so pessimistic about our economy, I say: Don’t be economic girlie men!” It was a dig at the mini-contretemps that greeted his recent needling of California Democrats.

Schwarzenegger has been cautious until now in promoting the president’s re-election; the two have appeared together in California, but Schwarzenegger has sent mixed signals about campaigning for Bush outside the state.

For the most part Tuesday night, Schwarzenegger stuck to his feel-good story of opportunity, especially for immigrants. But he full-throatedly endorsed Bush’s re-election, and he squarely supported Bush’s most controversial policy choice, the decision to invade Iraq.

“My fellow Americans, make no mistake about it – terrorism is more insidious than communism, because it yearns to destroy not just the individual but the entire international order,” he said. “The president didn’t go into Iraq because the polls told him it was popular.

“As a matter of fact, the polls said just the opposite. But leadership isn’t about polls. It’s about making decisions you think are right and then standing behind those decisions. That’s why America is safer with George W. Bush as president.”

Another side of the president:

Delegates were rapturous over their new star, even though he opposes some of the primary planks in the party’s platform, including its opposition to legal abortion and its support for a constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage — subjects Schwarzenegger chose not to touch on. Those issues were left to speakers who were relegated to slots earlier in the evening, before the national television networks joined the party.

The governor’s raucous reception set a high standard for Bush’s wife, Laura, who deflected the pressure by turning delegates’ attention to the president’s private side.

The first lady took the stage after a fond introduction by her husband, who spoke by satellite from a softball game in North Middleton Township, Pa. He, in turn, was introduced by the Bushes’ 22-year-old twin daughters, Jenna and Barbara, who jolted the convention with a joke-filled deflation of their parents and grandparents.

Noting that their grandmother Barbara Bush, the current president’s mother and a former first lady herself, had occasionally objected to their choices in clothes and music, Jenna Bush remarked: “Ganny, we love you dearly, but you’re just not very hip. She thinks ‘Sex in the City’ is something married people do but never talk about.”

“I know it’s hard to believe,” said her sister, “but our parents’ favorite term of endearment for each other is actually ‘Bushie.’”

Laura Bush then set out to answer Americans who had asked her why “you think we should re-elect your husband as president.”

“As you might imagine, I have a lot to say about that,” she related. Nearly all of it had to do with the president’s personal qualities. While she briefly mentioned the Bush administration’s education program, dubbed No Child Left Behind, and its push to lower taxes despite a rising federal debt, for the most part she steered clear of policy issues.

The first lady painted a portrait of a president saddened but undaunted by the burdens of war.

“I remember some very quiet nights at the dinner table,” she said. “George was weighing grim scenarios and ominous intelligence about potentially even more devastating attacks.” All along, she “knew he was wrestling with these agonizing decisions that would have such profound consequence for so many lives and for the future of our world.”

Americans should vote for husband for these reasons as much as they should his beliefs, she said:

“People ask me all the time whether George has changed. He’s a little grayer — and of course, he has learned and grown as we all have. But he’s still the same person I met at a backyard barbecue in Midland, Texas, and married three months later.”

Bush formally nominated:

The delegates, meanwhile, were in the middle of a three-day process that began Monday to formally nominate Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney to a second term with a roll call full of home-state bragging and lots of praise for their incumbents. Pennsylvania cast the votes that gave Bush the 1,255 delegates he needed to seal the nomination Tuesday night.

The president spent the day on the road, addressing the American Legion in Nashville, Tenn., before heading to Iowa and Pennsylvania. His Democratic opponent, Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts, was spending most of the day at his beachfront home in Massachusetts before flying to Nashville to spend the night. He talks to the American Legion on Wednesday.

More so than they did Monday night, speakers made a point of defending some of the party’s more controversial policies Tuesday night.

Sen. Elizabeth Dole of North Carolina, who unsuccessfully challenged Bush for the presidential nomination in 2000, took the first big shot in the “culture war” against the Democrats, stoutly defending the Republican opposition to abortion and same-sex marriage, positions that were detailed in the campaign platform but were barely mentioned Monday.

“We believe in life — the new life of a man and woman joined together under God,” Dole said to cheers.

“Marriage is important not because it is a convenient invention or the latest reality show. Marriage is important because it is the cornerstone of civilization and the foundation of the family,” she added. “Marriage between a man and a woman isn’t something Republicans invented, but it is something Republicans will defend.”

Senate Republican leader Bill Frist of Tennessee, a medical doctor, laid out the party’s strategy to answer Kerry’s attacks on the president’s decision to ban federal funding for scientific research on newly created embryonic stem cells, an issue that has created sharp divisions among Republicans.

Many scientists believe such research could contribute to the discovery of new treatments for a host of ailments, including Alzheimer’s disease, which felled Republican icon Ronald Reagan this year. The former president’s son Ron spoke in favor of new research funding at the Democratic convention last month, and his widow, Nancy, rejected an invitation to appear at the Republican gathering this week.

Frist stopped just short of accusing Kerry of lying about the Republican policy, which recent polls suggest could be a potent issue for Democrats. He said the federal government was, in fact, funding stem cell research, taking no note of the restriction that such research was limited only to older stem cell lines that were already in existence before August 2001.

“John Kerry claims that the president has put a ‘sweeping ban’ on stem cell research,” Frist said. “I challenge Mr. Kerry tonight: What ban? Shame on you, Mr. Kerry.”

Even Laura Bush got into the act, contending that Bush was “the first president to provide federal funding for stem cell research.”

Bush on terrorism But off the podium, just as much attention was focused on Bush supporters’ attempts to explain the president’s comments Monday that the war against terrorism could not be won.

Appearing on NBC’s “Today,” Bush was asked Monday whether the war on terrorism was winnable. “I don’t think you can win it. But I think you can create conditions so that the — those who use terror as a tool are less acceptable in parts of the world,” Bush said.

Bush believes the United States will win the war on terrorism, despite his remarks suggesting it could not be won, White House press secretary Scott McClellan said Tuesday. In his acceptance speech Thursday, the president “will make it crystal clear ... that we will win the war on terrorism by continuing to take the fight to the enemy,” McClellan said.

Laura Bush defended her husband, saying on ABC’s “Good Morning America” that “this isn’t a war with a country where you’re going to have a surrender at some point. But the fact is, as we look around the world, we are already winning the war on terror.”

Still, Democrats pounced on the president’s remark in hope of stealing some convention-week spotlight from Republicans. On arrival Tuesday night in Nashville, Kerry said, “You heard last night ... all they are talking about is the war on terror, which the president yesterday said he doesn’t think we can win. We can, we must and we will win the war on terror.”

Outside the hall, police clamped a security lid on much of midtown Manhattan to rein in protesters. There were no reports of violence, but by midnight, marchers had gridlocked several parts of the city. Police told NBC News that they made more than 900 arrests.

By MSNBC.com’s Alex Johnson. MSNBC-TV’s Becky Diamond in Nashville, Tenn., and NBC’s Javier Morgado and Frank Salamone in New York contributed to this report.



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August 31, 2004

Schwarzenegger's Star Power Dazzles Delegates

By Sean Loughlin, CNN Washington Bureau



NEW YORK (CNN) -- Describing his life as the embodiment of the American dream, California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger hailed his adopted country as "the best hope of democracy" and praised President Bush as the man to lead it.

"America gave me opportunities, and my immigrant dreams came true," the Austrian-born Schwarzenegger said. "I want other people to get the same chances I did, the same opportunities. And I believe they can. That's why I believe in this country, that's why I believe in this party -- and that's why I believe in this president."

Schwarzenegger's appearance before the Republican National Convention drew roars of approval from the delegates and guests, and his remarks often brought the crowd to its feet. (Transcript)

The former bodybuilder and action move star sprinkled his speech with tongue-in-cheek references to some of his movies, saying Bush would "terminate" terrorism and dismissing last month's Democratic convention as "True Lies."

Some members of the California delegation wore "Terminator"-style glasses and donned pins reading "Girlie Men" with a slash through it.

"What a greeting!" Schwarzenegger said at the start of his speech. "This is like winning an Oscar! As if I would know."

Schwarzenegger's starring role at this convention comes despite some fundamental policy differences with Bush, such as disagreements on abortion rights and gun control, both of which Schwarzenegger supports.

It underscores the GOP's effort to use this convention both to reach out to moderate and independent voters, as well as rally its conservative base.

Schwarzenegger made note of his own bipartisan appeal. His wife is Maria Shriver, a member of the famously Democratic Kennedy clan. She sat in the president's box during her husband's speech, next to the first President Bush.

The governor of the nation's most populous state described growing up in socialist Austria in the shadow of the former Soviet Union and then coming to the United States as a young man.

Schwarzenegger said his political epiphany came in 1968 as he followed the race for the White House that year between Democrat Hubert Humphrey and Republican Richard Nixon, who talked of limiting the role of government.

"I've been a Republican ever since!" Schwarzenegger said. "And trust me, in my wife's family, that's no small achievement! I'm proud to belong to the party of Abraham Lincoln, the party of Teddy Roosevelt, the party of Ronald Reagan -- and the party of George W. Bush."

He spoke of his faith in this country's economic might and said of skeptics: "Don't be economic girlie men."

Schwarzenegger, whose friendship with the Bush family dates back to his days as chairman of the President's Council on Physical Fitness in the first Bush administration, described the current president as a man of "inner strength" who has not been governed by polls in the war in Iraq, nor in the battle against terrorism.

"That's why America is safer with George W. Bush as president," Schwarzenegger said.

Some pundits have compared Schwarzenegger to another movie star turned California governor -- Ronald Reagan

But there's one key difference: Unless the Constitution is changed, Schwarzenegger, as a naturalized U.S. citizen, is banned from serving as president.
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