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Offline .44splx2

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cold vs. action type
« on: February 12, 2007, 09:58:54 AM »
Good day,
  As it turns out I like cold weather :-\
but I prefer semi-auto rifles.
Could any of you cold weather experts opine as to
which action types are best or best to be avoided
in really cold situations? Thanks.

We must pass along/encourage hunting, shooting, the outdoors etcetera. 

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Re: cold vs. action type
« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2007, 10:28:10 AM »
I'm no expert, but I've hunted at -20 a couple of times. Not pleasant.

My takeaway message was degrease everything and the fewer moving parts the better. Autoloader? Not for me.

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Re: cold vs. action type
« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2007, 12:35:45 PM »
Mr. .44splx2,
We also enjoy hunting in cooler weather.  Our old Winchester 100 (.308) was very reliable at -20 degrees below 0 F.  Sure wish I had  never allowed ourselves to be talked out of it.  Our Browning in .338mag, Colt CAR15 (.223 and .50 Beowulf) and Springfield Armory M1A (.308) have all proven to be equally reliable when the temperature is below well 0.  Just a matter of lubing properly and keeping clean.
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Re: cold vs. action type
« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2007, 05:29:06 PM »
How cold?  It depends on how cold you want.  When it gets colder than -30, you clean the gun with gasoline to eliminate all oil, wipe the remaining residue off until dry, take outside and work the action a few times and dry fire it.  Then leave it outside.  Rifles in the natives communities are not pretty from such treatment but if you are relying on the firearm working, not on how beautiful it looks. 
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Re: cold vs. action type
« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2007, 05:10:10 PM »
Its not the cold, its mostly the snow.  the only real problem I have had hunting is with my 870, the shell holder pin on the mag tube got a little bit of ice in there, so it wouldnt move out of the way to load another shell in the chamber, leaving me with a single shot pump action shotgun.  I got a stick and took about ten minutes to find exactly what/where the problem was to chip it out of there.  As long as you dont have anything inside the action to freeze, it should do just fine.

I think my 10/22 has been out the longest in the coldest weather looking for snowshoes and ptarmingan, and it has never jammed on me.
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Re: cold vs. action type
« Reply #5 on: February 14, 2007, 09:13:48 AM »
Mr. .44splx2,
We fully concur with Mr. Daveinthebush regarding leaving the weapon cold soaked and he is quite correct in his assessment as to how some people deal with the problem.
As you would fully expect, bringing a cold weapon into a warm space will cause moisture condensation.  Return outside too soon and you now have ice.

Though we have only been doing this for the last 15 years and our experience is not as extensive as many others, in our opinion it is no longer necessary to expose the firearm to the complete ravages of the environment; if you have the proper tools on hand.
We still believe it necessary to leave the firearm cold and as such, we store it in the arctic entrance way when not out and about.
Many years ago we ran a cold soak test (temperature was below -50 degrees, below zero F) on several different lubricants.  Eezox was the only one that worked.  It is rated to -95 degrees by the manufacturer.

Following their directions for application, we used a Colt 1911 (.45acp) and Desert Eagle (gas operated "turn bolt" .50AE) for our informal test.  Both weapons and ammo sat outside overnight.  Both weapons functioned flawlessly.
We have used this lube in all our rifles (semi-auto, etc) in temperatures as low as -30 to -40 degrees.  If the temperature drops below -40, we usually stay inside.  (Ok, so I am a panty waist!  But these days I am closer to 70 than 60 yrs of age.)

We no longer have a problem with rust and other than normal wear and tear, our toys are doing fine.
We do NOT recommend taking the firearm in and out of a heated area.  Sooner or later you WILL get ice.

This winter we are trying out a new (for us) lube by the name of MPro7 but winter has been quite mild so far, at our place.  Only in the -30s.  Perhaps just as well.  The manufacturer only rates it to -40 degrees.
The info above is submitted with the best of intentions (and we all know which road is paved with those) and merely reflects our limited experience.
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Re: cold vs. action type
« Reply #6 on: February 27, 2007, 03:38:50 PM »
Hunted caribou out of King Salmon many winters ago in November at -40. The firing pin on my Remington 700 froze up. It would fall but not fast enough to ignite the primer. We carried our bolts in our pockets for the rest of the hunt. Awkward but it worked well enough to put 3 caribou in the freezer.

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Re: cold vs. action type
« Reply #7 on: February 28, 2007, 12:01:54 PM »
That's why I carry single shots, less moving parts.  Also easy to clean if dropped into the snow, which does happen.   
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Re: cold vs. action type
« Reply #8 on: March 03, 2007, 02:18:26 AM »
you just like not havin to pack all that ammo sourdough.
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Re: cold vs. action type
« Reply #9 on: April 23, 2007, 04:01:23 AM »
How cold?  It depends on how cold you want.  When it gets colder than -30, you clean the gun with gasoline to eliminate all oil, wipe the remaining residue off until dry, take outside and work the action a few times and dry fire it.  Then leave it outside.  Rifles in the natives communities are not pretty from such treatment but if you are relying on the firearm working, not on how beautiful it looks. 

Very good point, Dave, in our world of gun collectiors. It's better to be alive than rich? Few people realize that the guns they have are expensive because they work when needed not for their looks.
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