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Offline Buckshotliam

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Shotcups?
« on: January 29, 2003, 06:45:55 PM »
Howdy,

I blatently stole this from another list I follow.  It's about homemade paper shotcups.  If Fred is reading this, thanks for your helpfull instructions.  Fred writes:

I'll preface this with the disclaimer that the way I make shotcups isn't
totally period correct, in that the paper I use and glue aren't period
correct at all. I'm sure there are other ways to make them, but these work for me. As far as I can determine, originals were made with multiple layers of paper and hide glue. You can use 90lb. card stock for paper, however, I prefer 100lb. I haven't found any better glue than Barge Cement. You need a glue that dries fast and os very strong.
Now, here's where you really have to pay close attention to detail, if you
want all your effort to pay off. You have to use a hardwood dowel for your
"form" to make the shotcups. You have to wrap the dowel EXACTLY twice for each shotcup. Thus, you will also need sandpaper to take down the dowel (keeping it still round) so that when you've made a shotcup, it just slides all the way down in a clean bore. You CAN make shotcups that are even stronger with EXACTLY 3 wraps of paper. Note that all this will require some time as you "custom fit" the dowel and paper to the bore. 2 wraps of paper is a minimum, and 3 is best.
Once you have all that done, you'll need to "calculate" the width of each
strip of paper so that each shotcup will be the same proper length. Yes, on
the above stage, make a note of EXACTLY the length of paper you need.
Now, you've probably already shot your smoothbore, and know what the best powder and shot load is for it. Most .62 bores, like my Tulle, like 80gr. of ffg and 80gr. of shot....BOTH by a powder measure, NOT by weight. I also use a card wad over the powder, then a fiber wad, then the shotcup, then another card wad.
Ok.......here's how you make your second "calculation" (shotcup paper width). Make a shotcup by applying a THIN coat of Barge Cement at the beginning of the SECOND wrap and all the way out to the end of the paper. Once dry, fold one end of the cup from opposite sides, and apply a tad bit of Barge Cement to secure it....as you fold over the 2nd fold. I usually but the dowel in the cup and "rap" it hard on a block of wood to make sure there's good contact between the glue and paper, and also make sure the "end" is flat. Now pour in a load of shot. Measure above where the top of the shot is, adding enough length to form a closing end of the shotcup. Now you know the dimensions of your shotcup.
Simply take a pencil and ruler and mark off a bunch of shotcup strips and cut them out. However you cut them, make CERTAIN that ALL edges are straight, or you'll likely have problems."

I enjoyed his post about shotcups.  It's an interesting idea I've read about before but never tried.  I think when the weather breaks around here I may experiment some myself.  In the meantime, have any of you guys tried this?  When do you use them.? For all your shotgunning or only for hunting?  Are they really that much faster than a shot snake? Also do they tighten up the pattern any? I use the dreaded plastic with steel for waterfowl and they definatly tighten the pattern for me. Does card stock act the same?  Also how do you carry them in your bag?   Inquiring minds want to know

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« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2003, 02:09:43 AM »
Buckshotliam,
I have used the shot cups as you described, but I use the 3x5 magazine filler cards.  I wrap ~1/16 short of two (2) complete wraps. This gives a spot for the cup to "Split" as it exits the muzzle. I also use contact cement to seal the seam.  I fold in the one end "BUT I DO NOT GLUE IT" as you mentioned.  Add the shot, close the end and stuff them in the sack. I load as normal add the packet with an overshot card and have at it.

These little packets do tighten my pattern, for additional tightening you can add some buffer material right in the packet.  For waterfowl hunting I shoot #4 & #5 bismuth and use the "bismuth buffer".  In the field for free range pheasant, I use corn meal muffin mix.

You can see the card fall about 8-10 yds. in front of you.  If you make a mistake making the cup, all you shoot is a "slug".  At my patterning board there is a nice hole where the packet went through.  The funny part, I was patterning for turkey at 25 yds, the  "BIG" hole is right in the "EYE".  I keep that target in my truck to tease my friends.  Just need to show them how tight a pattern the muzzies shoot.

Sincerely,
Smokepole

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« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2003, 06:42:21 AM »
Smokepole,
That sound interesting, I can see the advantage of using a buffer.  I've used buffers in 12 ga loading before.  Never thought of it for muzzleloading. I will for sure experiment and try it out when the weather breaks.  You mention the "slug" effect.  About 15 yrs ago I reloaded steel shot for goose hunting.  I used a plastic shotcup that Ballisitc Products sold.  You slit the petals yourself.  I shot a goose and as I was cleaning it darned if I didn't find the entire wad (unslit) containing all the shot in the body cavity.  Dah! Gues I missed one in the slitting process!!  Another funny story about your pattern sheet-- Minneapolis is the home of Federal.  My brother got a 10" piece of the plastic extrustion used in Federal 12 ga shells.  He epoxied it to a base and loaded it with shot--he made the first SUPER MAGNUM-- a 10" 12 ga Magnum!!  He carried that in his truck and showed it to fellows as we hunted--got some real funny responses from strangers!!
When the Minnesota weather opens I'll give it a try.

Buckshot Liam

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« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2003, 06:52:14 AM »
Buckshot Liam,
I'd be careful who sees the 10" 12ga Super Mag.  Duck hunters would demand a 10" chamber for "SKY-BUSTING" in the next county!!!!

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« Reply #4 on: January 31, 2003, 08:41:02 PM »
I've read of various ways to make shot cups, and I'm sure they all work if ya test enough to get the details right. My method is simple - I carry pre-cut rectangles of brown wrapping paper in my bag and make cups in the field. After dumping powder, I wrap a piece twice around my finger, twist the end shut, poke it in the bore and load shot. It took just a little experimentation to get the rectangle size right and find out where on my finger would fit 1 oz, 1 1/4 oz, etc.

This gave me pretty good killing patterns at 40 yards from cylinder bores. One detail - the paper can never extend past the shot, else it might not release and I get a slug.

Just call me Preacher Jim if ya like. I'm always preaching - KISS!

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« Reply #5 on: February 01, 2003, 04:10:44 AM »
:D  :D  hi guys i like the period type of shot cups that you've mentioned above , but have tried to bad sucsess recently, can some one send a step by step directions to me please (begging begging), ive uesd in the past that really seems to work in my brown bess and prdersoli side by sides , 12ga winchester aa wads, 9its a little loose fitting at first but after you add shot it makes a good seal then a cover wad only problem is if 11/8 is used you have to cut down the wad it so the cover wad sits level , and if you use a 11/4 or 11/2 oz. lead shot charge the shot goes over the cup, don,t know what to say about that but its fun to blast squirls a bunnies, usedto use alcan wads trhat had a over powder wad that was perfect for 11/2 oz. loads but cannaot seem to find any, and on occasion used winchester w-w wads as a sabot in my side by side with a .60 diamiter round ball for that quick second shot deer hunting back home in wisconsin.
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