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Been out of bowhunting a long time-suggestions on new bow?
« on: September 06, 2004, 07:16:27 AM »
I haven't bow hunted in nearly 20 years, the compound bow I had at the time has long since disintegrated (the bolts that attach the arms came free after many many years). I'm thinking about going this year, it does add another month or so onto the season here and one and I have one hunting partner getting into it with his boy and guy I hunt with another elsewhere that has asked me to go out with him for bow season.

I'm thinking about just getting an entry level bow for this season to see whether I want to do it more later.

I looked on Sportsmanguide and they have some Fred Bear's (Pro master, Buck Master and Carbon Master)  in the sub 300 level and a Browning Avalanche II (who knows who really made that). Bear bows used to be okay last I remember, but I know nothing about them now.

Any suggestions on what bear minimums I should be looking for in a compound?

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« Reply #1 on: September 07, 2004, 07:20:10 AM »
Welcome back to the fold. I was out way too many years before I got the bug  back in a big way (too soon old, too late smart). I still carry my old Bear Kodiak compound, it is old enough to vote but still sends arrows where I aim them and it has long been paid for. My recommendation would be to hit your local archery pro shop for a new arrow slinger. Staff are usually experienced hunters and can show you a variety of different models allowing you to pick and choose what you like and help make sure you get proper draw length etc. Plus they can help you to get the bow set up and properly installed (usually nominal or no charge) with all the items you want/need along with answering any questions. For these reasons I avoid the mass merchandisers and usually purchase the bulk of my archery gear at an archery shop and will do this for my next bow (next year I hope). There are a lot of good bows on the market but picking the wrong rig can be costly and frustrating, a knowledgeable pro can be invaluable in this respect. Joining a club with an archery range can also be a good thing for a beginner and can serve as a source of info.

Good luck and safe shooting

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« Reply #2 on: September 07, 2004, 11:11:08 AM »
Well, I have a PSE nova V-4. It's a great entry level bow, best of all it shoots very quiet :wink:  And right now It's only 169.00 at BPS . i HAVE A MARTIN JAGUAR also, but I favor being quiet than blazing speed that the martin has. But I'll get the martin the mix on into the season. :gulp:
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« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2004, 01:03:48 PM »
If you had the money...I'd go w/ a Mathews. You might have heard of these bows...but I never did until a friend actually told me of it. www.mathewsinc.com. The cheapest one they make (which I'm actually looking to get) is the Mathews FX. The Mathews SoloCam is the reason these bows are so expensive (the best of the best from what I understand). But...if money is an issue :roll: PSE and Marten and some Fred Bear's will work fine. I was eyeing a PSE Fire Flite 33 L3 (Cabelas issue only bow) for $299.99 w/ nearly everything plus 4 PSE Carbon Force arrows free! There's my  :money: . Good luck w/ whatever you choose :D
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« Reply #4 on: September 07, 2004, 04:23:06 PM »
Good Luck, Be Safe, and God Bless  :D

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« Reply #5 on: September 08, 2004, 05:09:42 AM »
Welcome back to the stick and string,
I myself shoot only Hoyts..for the moment  :) ... Hoyt makes a secondary line called Reflex.... They are moderatly priced and pretty much have a bow that can suit anyones needs... I think the Carabou would do you great service..Its longer in its axel to axel leangth and has a very nice brace distance and quite forgiving...If you have been out of shooting for a long period of time these can be importaint factors....Good luck
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« Reply #6 on: September 08, 2004, 03:14:00 PM »
First of all...how much are you willing to spend?

Some of my buddys shoot FB's(fred bears) they seem to like them..Its a good starter bow with all the accessories, from what I hear Martin is also a decent bow. Good Luck
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« Reply #7 on: September 10, 2004, 06:16:27 PM »
If you have not had a new bow for that many years you are probably used to smooth pulling wheels or cams.  I would look for a used double cam bow or one of the few new ones that are still availables.  The single cams and cam and 1/2's are hard pulling bows with very little valley for the most part.

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« Reply #8 on: September 20, 2004, 05:30:52 AM »
Welcome back!

The good news is that compound hunting bows are better than ever by a wide margin.  The bad news is that there are just too many to chose from! :grin:

The Browning that you mentioned is made by PSE.  PSE makes about 3/4 of the bows sold every year.  They also make the Archery Research bow.

If you $300 price is for the bare bow, you have a lot of bows to chose from.  Browning, PSE, Reflex and Jennings to name a few that are available in the big box stores.  If you need to get the sight, rest, arrows, & quiver for the $300, PSE is a good choice.

I'm a little more serious about my bowhunting than you appear to be so I drive about 90 minutes each way to one of the best pro shops in the East.  He is expensive, but I get value from him.  You may be better served with by the archery departments at a Bass Pro, Cabela's or one of the other outdoor big box stores.  I've had mixed experience with the quality of help that I get at those stores.  Some excellent, some horible, most ok, but not on a Saturday when customers are lined up three deep.

There is a lot of good archery equipment available today.  Take your time to pick out a bow that fits you and what you plan to do with it.

Good luck,
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things to consider
« Reply #9 on: September 22, 2004, 07:50:36 AM »
Warning: this is long, and conatins a lot of information that I hope you will find useful (you may even want to print it for reference when shoping).

I don't think "buying by brand" is the best place to start honestly. Pretty much all bowmakers these days make good stuff.

I'm relatively new to bowhunting (1 1/12 years), but here are the things I considered when I looked for a bow:

I didn't want to buy a "beginner's" bow because I didn't want to "outgrow" it and have to buy another one next year. In a similar fashion, I didn't want to buy a "pro" model either. I wanted something that I could hunt with for a few years and not feel like I needed an upgrade, but I wanted something hat was "easy" to shoot.

When I started looking for a bow, I did a ton of reseach so that I had at
least some idea of what was what when it came to bows.

The first misconception I had was that you needed a "heavy" draw weight to deer hunt. Not necessarily true - a 50 pound draw weight will kill deer just as dead as an 80 pounder. The 50# draw weight is a lot easier to draw - and easier to draw quietly and quickly - both very important factors when hunting. The downside is that a 50# bow is slower. But speed doesn't kill - aim does, and a lower draw weight equates to a lower hold weight (in most cases), and the lower the hold weight, the easier to hold accurately.

I also thought that speed was critical. Again, not necessarily true. While
speed does have advantages - most notably speed can make up for errors in judging distance (a really fast bow shoots pretty much the same at 20 yards as it does at 30 yards), and the arrow spends less time in the air, which means the deer has less time to "jump" the string.

My bow shoots about 280 feet per second (fps) at 65#. Sound travels at about 1100 fps (no bow shoots that fast - the fastest I've read about is just above 350 fps). In other words a deer will definitely hear the bow shoot before the arrow gets there (if they're close enough and the woods are quiet).

At 280 fps, and a range of 30 yards - or 90 feet, an arrow is in the air for
roughly 1/3 of a second, and believe it or not, that's plenty of time for a
deer to react.

This brins up a factor that I've never seen rated anywhere - the "loudness" of a bow. Obviously the quieter the bow is, the better off you are. My bow is much quieter than most, but it's louder than others. Of course you can add things to make the bow quieter, but a bow that starts off quieter needs less additions (cheaper).

There's also "axle to axle" length. This is the overall length of the bow,
not counting the inch or so where the cams extend past the center point of the cams. Shorter is easier to get into the woods with and easier to shoot from a stand. Shorter also means that it's HARDER to shoot accurately, although this can be overcome with a lot of regular practice.

"Brace height" and "reflex geometry" are possibly the biggest
considerations for new or returning shooters. Brace height is the distance from the center point of the riser (that "main" part of the bow also sometimes called the grip) to the string.

A shorter brace height generally equates to a faster arrow speed - but it's
also harder to shoot well than a longer brace height. Shorter brace heights tend to want to "twist" or "roll" in your hand - which means that you need a firmer grip - but you don't want to grip too much, or you'll "torque" the bow and throw the arrow off. Not a big deal at 10 yards, but it's accentuated at 30 yards.

Reflex geometry is the distance between the limb pockets (where the limbs mount to the riser/grip) and the centerline of the grip itself. A higher reflex geometry equals a faster bow - but it also means a harder to shoot bow.

Another consideration is "let-off" - rated in percentage. A 60 pound draw
weight with a 75% let-off means that you're "holding" 15 pounds at full
draw. This is an important consideration for hunnting, but almost all bows
have a let-off of 60 to 75%.

Here's a website that explains most of what I've written above:
http://www.huntersfriend.com/newbowhelp3.htm

One subject on the site that you should read about is the "Forgiveness
Factor" - an "unorthodox" rating of how easy a bow is to shoot fairly well.

They also have a side by side bow comparison chart that lists all current
year model bows for a number of manufacturers:
http://www.huntersfriend.com/bowspecs1.htm

Here's some GREAT information about bows from a different page at the same site - you might even want to read this first:
http://www.huntersfriend.com/bowselection.htm

You can sort the bows listed by any of the categories by clicking on the
topic heading at the top of the page so that you can compare bows by
different criteria.

Here's a link to Hoyt bows:
http://www.hoytusa.com/products/xtec.tpl?cart=109398452117675730

And here's alink to my Hoyt "Dyna-Tech":
http://www.hoytusa.com/products/dynatec.tpl?cart=109398452117675730

My bow is much easier to shoot than most of the "advanced" models, and yet it's still plenty fast (and super quiet, lke I said above).

I've been shooting an average of at least 50 arrows a day for over 3 months now. I average 2 1/2 inch 3-shot groups @ 30 yards.
Even with that much practice - which a lot of people
think is "excessive" - there are a lot of bows that I can't shoot very well at all, and others that I shoot just as good.

Like I said, most manufacturers make great bows, and most brands have everything from "beginner" to "expert", in price ranges from what I can afford to somewhere up in the "gold-plated" range. There are some brands you couldn't give me - strictly because of personal preference. Well, you could give it to me, but I'd probably sell it.

You don't want to buy a bow that you "outgrow" in a year, - that can get
pretty expensive. But you don't want to buy a bow that you can't shoot well either - you'll get frustrated and discouraged.

Hoyt and Mathews seem like the most "popular" brands, with several other brands coming in a close second, but don't buy into the manufacturer "hype". BUY A BOW THAT FITS YOU - ONE THAT YOU LIKE.

Do more world archery champions shoot Mathews because Mathews
sponsors more of them than any other manufacturer, or are Mathews bows really the best ?

Only YOU can decide what's best for you.

My belief was that by gathering as much information as I possibly could, I'd make a more informed decision when I finally bought my bow.

I hope this helps (especially after you took all that time to read it)

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« Reply #10 on: September 22, 2004, 12:35:24 PM »
Berruger, I don't mean to shoot ya down. But ya have to admit. If you're comparing a PSE to a Mathews, Mathews obviously makes a better bow. Now...I'm not dissing PSE (because I know many archers who are pleased with PSE's). But I know my friend had a PSE but upgraded to a Mathews. He's getting groups of 3 arrows within a quarter at approx. 25 yards  :eek: . That's using Muzzy 90 grain 3 blade heads and PSE Carbon Force Arrows (by the way he has the Mathews Black Max 2...a beautiful and obviously good shooting bow). Just some food for thought. TTYL.  :D
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« Reply #11 on: September 22, 2004, 01:15:37 PM »
I have shot a number of bows, Mathews is the brand I will stick with.  Nothing I have shot feels as good to me as a Mathews.  :D
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« Reply #12 on: October 02, 2004, 02:29:37 AM »
Thanks for all the help guys, this board is an excellent resource. I'm still debating using an old compound I have v. hitting the bass pro/gander mountain circuit today. I'll be sure to print this out and bring it with me!