Author Topic: My anti Maine bear referendum website  (Read 693 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Tim4Trout

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Member
  • *
  • Posts: 19
    • http://home.comcast.net/~tim4trout/index.html
My anti Maine bear referendum website
« on: October 02, 2004, 12:26:59 AM »
http://home.comcast.net/~tim4trout/index.html

If you think it can be of help to educate voters, especially  about the lies and misinformation being perpetrated by referendum pushers, feel free to pass it on.

Thanks.

Tim4Trout

Thank You to all who helped DEFEAT recent referendum attempts by anti hunting factions to threaten wildlife management in Maine and Alaska.

Always remain diligent.

http://home.comcast.net/~tim4trout/state_links.html

Offline victorcharlie

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3573
My anti Maine bear referendum website
« Reply #1 on: October 02, 2004, 02:10:08 AM »
Great site.....This is upsetting, that you would have to defend bear hunting!  My state's hunting guide is over 50 pages.....you need a lawyer to understand it.  When I was a kid, hunting and fishing were on a tri-fold card that would fit in your wallet.  This is a clear example that if you give a little power to the government, it quickly become a mini empire and consumes more and more....until it's out of control.  I've been watching the British fox hunting boondongle.  Hundreds of years of tradition soon to be criminalized.......wake up people!
"Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Tolerance in the face of tyranny is no virtue."
Barry Goldwater

Offline Maine_Hound_Hunter

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Avid Poster
  • **
  • Posts: 106
My anti Maine bear referendum website
« Reply #2 on: October 02, 2004, 09:04:42 AM »
Tim...I am interested in writing a few articles for your site, and also doing a question-and-answer page....Let me know if your interested....I've hounded most've my life, and have read many things, and also know some of the "dirty secrets" of the referendum that aren't brought out in public but are known.
Down with Maine Citizens for Fair Bear hunting!
----It will kill Maine's hunting economy....Is this really what we need?
----Plus, all you other Northeasterners, if it goes through here.......your more then likely NEXT

Offline Lawdog

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4464
My anti Maine bear referendum website
« Reply #3 on: October 02, 2004, 10:02:14 AM »
Tim4Trout,

California has 32,000 plus(as per the latest population estimates taken in 2001) Black Bears which ranks it second to Alaska(100,000 plus) and although we allow hunting with dogs(we had to fight to keep that recently) baiting is outlawed.  Our bear population is getting out of control and I believe that the NO BAITING Law getting lifted would help in controlling them.  You have the support I can give and our prayers too.  Lawdog
 :D
Gary aka Lawdog is now deceased. He passed away on Jan. 12, 2006. RIP Lawdog. We miss you.

Offline Cabin4

  • Avery H. Wallace
  • GBO Supporter
  • Trade Count: (2)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4938
  • Gender: Male
  • Out West
My anti Maine bear referendum website
« Reply #4 on: October 10, 2004, 03:07:28 AM »
As a recomendation, you may want to add the other benifit of baiting for bear. And that is baiting is feeding. Feeding bear at a critical point in the annula cycle, the fall. Mother with cubs feed on bait sites and are not shot. Mother and cubs go to den strong and both have a better chance living thru the winter and next spring. The same can be said of theose other bear that feed on the bait and are never shot. They also go to den fater and have a better chance of living.

Baiting is also feeding.
Avery Hayden Wallace
Obama Administration: A corrupt criminal enterprise of bold face liars.
The States formed the Union. The Union did not form the States. States Rights!
GET US OUT OF THE UN. NO ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT!
S.A.S.S/NRA Life Member/2nd Amendment Foundation
CCRKBA/Gun Owners of America
California Rifle & Pistol Association
Ron Paul Was Right!
Long Live the King! #3

Offline Tim4Trout

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Member
  • *
  • Posts: 19
    • http://home.comcast.net/~tim4trout/index.html
My anti Maine bear referendum website
« Reply #5 on: October 10, 2004, 04:45:03 AM »
Quote from: cabin4
As a recomendation, you may want to add the other benifit of baiting for bear. And that is baiting is feeding. Feeding bear at a critical point in the annula cycle, the fall. Mother with cubs feed on bait sites and are not shot. Mother and cubs go to den strong and both have a better chance living thru the winter and next spring. The same can be said of theose other bear that feed on the bait and are never shot. They also go to den fater and have a better chance of living.

Baiting is also feeding.


The reason why I haven't addressed that issue yet is that referendum pushers are claiming the following on their website in an attempt to push for referendum passage...

baiting amounts to a massive supplemental feeding program that can lead to increased bear reproduction rates. Bears who build major fat reserves thanks to bait stations are more likely to produce cubs and add to the total bear population.  The practice is self-defeating if the goal is population reduction.

As it pertains to this issue though ...

A) Maine's bear population growth is primarily the result of clearcutting logging practices which subsequently result in thousands of acres of succulent plant growth, i.e. summer berries, in the years following logging.

and

B) With the exception of bear trapping, which is limited and has averages about 50-60 bear per year since 1982, most bear baiting ceases at the end of September, significantly before bears usually enter their dens, thus bears still need to rely on a significant amount of natural foods after baiting ends and before denning commences.
Thank You to all who helped DEFEAT recent referendum attempts by anti hunting factions to threaten wildlife management in Maine and Alaska.

Always remain diligent.

http://home.comcast.net/~tim4trout/state_links.html

Offline Cabin4

  • Avery H. Wallace
  • GBO Supporter
  • Trade Count: (2)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4938
  • Gender: Male
  • Out West
My anti Maine bear referendum website
« Reply #6 on: October 12, 2004, 07:09:55 AM »
I understand what your pointing out here. But I would still point out this fact. Bear Popluation control is a matter for the DNR in Maine. They can extend the season if needed or provide other incentives to take more bear if the population gets out of control.

My point is that baiting is good for bears. It provides a stable source of food and this along with stable DNR management of the season and bag limits, we not the bears need the anti's involved. The bear baiting issue and hunting in general polices intself and the anti's have no business in these matters.
Avery Hayden Wallace
Obama Administration: A corrupt criminal enterprise of bold face liars.
The States formed the Union. The Union did not form the States. States Rights!
GET US OUT OF THE UN. NO ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT!
S.A.S.S/NRA Life Member/2nd Amendment Foundation
CCRKBA/Gun Owners of America
California Rifle & Pistol Association
Ron Paul Was Right!
Long Live the King! #3