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AndyHass · « **Reply #30 on:** September 29, 2004, 04:40:19 PM »

Just a couple weekends ago I was shooting at 300 yards. The target was roughly deer height, and the bullets were kicking in the dirt only 40-50 yards behind the target. This was 200gr Shockwaves over 110 grains powder, so I can't see any ML bullets making it much further than that. So even with a miss a foot or two over the deer's back, you are going to be in the ground in SHORT ORDER....no 300-400 yard overshoots. Vapour brought up the trajectory websites (like JBM) but I don't have time now to bring over solid numbers.

Where on earth do you find appropriate sabots for a ML that are .50-.30?

I once tried turning down some .50 BMG sabots to fit in a ML and used a 150gr ballistic tip, but the bullets wouldn't even separate from the sabot at ML velocities....not to mention the solid plastic sabot was, I decided, an unsafe route to pursue further. The few the separated keyholed the target.
A 165 gr .308 should not, theoretically, stabilize in a 1:28" barrel. However, if you have gotten it to work, PLEASE list the source of the sabots so I can try!!!

JoeLansing · « **Reply #31 on:** September 30, 2004, 01:06:11 PM »

The smokepole season here in Michigan is still much shorter than the centerfire season. Another safety advantage is not too many mediocre hunters use smokepoles. I suppose this could be changing? I'm sure that the vast majority of unsafe/unlearned hunters choose to blast away with a semi-auto 30.06 or .270, than choose to hunt with a ML. When you've just got one shot, you tend to at least hit some brown, not empty the clip at a deer running across the top of a ridge in hopes that you hit something. I wonder if I can find any stats from the Michigan DNR on the number of landowner complaints during ML season vs normal firearm season? I'll try. - Joe

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #32 on:** September 30, 2004, 01:37:15 PM »

Quote from: JoeLansing

The smokepole season here in Michigan is still much shorter than the centerfire season. Another safety advantage is not too many mediocre hunters use smokepoles. I suppose this could be changing? I'm sure that the vast majority of unsafe/unlearned hunters choose to blast away with a semi-auto 30.06 or .270, than choose to hunt with a ML. When you've just got one shot, you tend to at least hit some brown, not empty the clip at a deer running across the top of a ridge in hopes that you hit something. I wonder if I can find any stats from the Michigan DNR on the number of landowner complaints during ML season vs normal firearm season? I'll try. - Joe

I don't think most people that use a rifle fall into your perception of them. I hunt with all types of guns and NEVER blast away at game and neither do the people I hunt with. :eek:

AndyHass · « **Reply #33 on:** September 30, 2004, 05:03:05 PM »

As much as I'd like to agree with you Redhawk, I can't. When I sit down 30-40min before opening of legal hunting hours (ie it is pitch black) I can guarantee I will hear shooting within 5-10 minutes. People spook deer in the dark, and fire 2-3 shots at them even in the black of night. Once there is ANY light, at least 20% of the people that shoot empty the gun. I've seen people shooting out of the bed of moving pickup trucks more than once...at deer 400 yards away and not on their land. My neighbor's blind still has 2 slug holes in it from when some road hunters shot a deer in between him and them a few years ago and nearly killed him.
Last year I stopped by a deer camp where 2 of the guys were in early because they had still been drunk when they crawled out to their stands in the morning and couldn't sit out very long.
The slobs aren't the majority by ANY means, but there are enough out there to worry about.

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #34 on:** October 01, 2004, 01:35:04 AM »

Quote from: AndyHass

As much as I'd like to agree with you Redhawk, I can't. When I sit down 30-40min before opening of legal hunting hours (ie it is pitch black) I can guarantee I will hear shooting within 5-10 minutes. People spook deer in the dark, and fire 2-3 shots at them even in the black of night. Once there is ANY light, at least 20% of the people that shoot empty the gun. I've seen people shooting out of the bed of moving pickup trucks more than once...at deer 400 yards away and not on their land. My neighbor's blind still has 2 slug holes in it from when some road hunters shot a deer in between him and them a few years ago and nearly killed him.
Last year I stopped by a deer camp where 2 of the guys were in early because they had still been drunk when they crawled out to their stands in the morning and couldn't sit out very long.
The slobs aren't the majority by ANY means, but there are enough out there to worry about.

AndyHass, there are stupid people everywhere. It is mathematical. If you have 100 muzzleloaders out, you are going to have a couple of guys that are not hunters just shooters. Now more guys shot rifles, so the law of averages kicks in. More people in the woods means more of the shooters are out there. It is not everybody with rifles just blasts away. I will no longer defend my stand and end with, JoeLansing made a comment that I thought was way of base and adds fuel to the anti-hunting crowd when they read such things.

AndyHass · « **Reply #35 on:** October 02, 2004, 04:08:55 PM »

Huh??? I think you took something the wrong way here. There is no stance for you to defend, I wasn't really disagreeing with you.
I was just saying we can't pretend every hunter is fully careful and concientious (ie not stupid). To do so is ignoring the obvious truth. This doesn't necessarily "feed fuel to the antis". Pretending such individuals don't exist would be waving a flag that you are burying your head in the sand and hiding from the truth instead of making sensible rules and allowances to deal with it....THAT would be fuel for the antis!

AndyHass · « **Reply #36 on:** October 02, 2004, 04:12:14 PM »

It appears my post didn't appear so....

I don't see what in my reply you think you must defend yourself from. You admit there are some stupid people out there and some of them hunt. If we pretend they don't exits, THAT feeds fuel to the antis because we are sticking our heads in the sand and ignoring an obvious truth to defend our view instead of dealing with it in a rational manner.
I do think more of the "dummies" shoot rifles/shotguns than MLs however...just like less of them shoot bows. The harder a weapon is to set up and use, the less likely such a lazy individual will want to use it.

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #37 on:** October 03, 2004, 08:52:48 AM »

Quote from: AndyHass

It appears my post didn't appear so....

I don't see what in my reply you think you must defend yourself from. You admit there are some stupid people out there and some of them hunt. If we pretend they don't exits, THAT feeds fuel to the antis because we are sticking our heads in the sand and ignoring an obvious truth to defend our view instead of dealing with it in a rational manner.
I do think more of the "dummies" shoot rifles/shotguns than MLs however...just like less of them shoot bows. The harder a weapon is to set up and use, the less likely such a lazy individual will want to use it.

AndyHass, go back and read the whole thread and you will see what I mean. I know we have people out there that just make all of use look bad. I don't try to pretend they don't exist. I was just pointing out that JoeLansing was lumping all rifle shooters into that category. And I felt you were supporting his way of think with your post.

AndyHass wrote:
As much as I'd like to agree with you Redhawk, I can't. When I sit down 30-40min before opening of legal hunting hours (ie it is pitch black) I can guarantee I will hear shooting within 5-10 minutes. People spook deer in the dark, and fire 2-3 shots at them even in the black of night. Once there is ANY light, at least 20% of the people that shoot empty the gun. I've seen people shooting out of the bed of moving pickup trucks more than once...at deer 400 yards away and not on their land. My neighbor's blind still has 2 slug holes in it from when some road hunters shot a deer in between him and them a few years ago and nearly killed him.
Last year I stopped by a deer camp where 2 of the guys were in early because they had still been drunk when they crawled out to their stands in the morning and couldn't sit out very long.
The slobs aren't the majority by ANY means, but there are enough out there to worry about.

AndyHass · « **Reply #38 on:** October 05, 2004, 03:22:13 AM »

Just to be clear I most certainly was not. Otherwise I'd be including myself in that group from time to time!! Lazy/sloppy pople may be more likely to gravitate to a certain weapon, but I think it's pretty obvious that the whole group can't be judged by those few.

Cuz · « **Reply #39 on:** October 05, 2004, 08:25:15 AM »

The gentleman who spoke of good sportsman hunters should work a deer check station for awhile. Once, was a conservation officer, and worked many check stations. The following are just a few of the statements given to the personal at the check station.

"Got off a couple of 'sound' shots this morning but did not see a deer."

"Did not see a deer, but I sure tore up a stump."

"Got off four shots at a deer on the next ridge. How far? Oh, maybe 500 or 600 yards. Missed him, I think. Blood trail? What is that?"

Many more similiar 'reports' given at the check station by MANY hunters. They were usually 'armed' with auto or pump rifles and big bore guns, maybe new boots and clothes still smelling of the store. These were not exceptions, these were enough to be called the norm. or at least 40% of the 'hunters' giving reports.

Once, during bow season, a fellow came thru the check station and could not figure out why his bow would only shot a few feet? The bow was back strung.

NOT all with a gun is a hunter!! Never assume the guy near you 'knows' what that thing in his hand is capable of.

Me, I shoot an Omega .50 ML (100 gr RS & 240 Hornady XTP) and a Ruger #1 .257 Roberts (117 gr Hornady & IMR 4350 handload). I hunt both ML and centerfire seasons. Did bow hunt, but hung that up. Now, just hunt and shoot and I shoot a lot, at the range. Teach kids the 'correct' way to handle a gun and teach respect as well, both of the ability of the gun and the rights of the landowner.

Cuz