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bought my self another milsurp( a good one this time!)
« on: October 10, 2004, 04:01:43 PM »
Just bought myself an AG42b of a feller on another forum. And me the bolt action fan, bet none of ya saw that coming! I’m usually a little leery about such transactions, but I’ve met him in person before and he is an avid milsurp collector and gunsmith to boot. If he says it’s in good shape it probably is! The only 6.5x55 available locally are 140 gr Remington loads, and I can order Igman from somewhere in Quebec as well. MGMorden, I know you’ve used Igman ammo, how does it perform? This will be my deer rifle this year, and my dad will use the .303 for old time’s sake. Anything in particular I should know about these rifles? Any quirks or problems? I’ve heard that they eat up brass and you can’t use it again, and that’s if you find it first. Can they really throw a spent case 20 feet? i'll have many more questions when it arrives. :D
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« Reply #1 on: October 10, 2004, 04:44:18 PM »
Igman is alright.  I've never had a problem with it functioning.  If you want to reload then it's problematic though.  The flash holes are undersized and as such I've had a lot of trouble decapping them.  I broke the decapping pin on my 6.5x55 neck sizer (good thing they're cheap to replace) and on my full length sizer the pin will push up through the collet very often. I got about 15 of them decapped before I gave up on the effort.  When I went to reprime the brass, I had to chamfer the primer pocket before a primer would seat correctly.  

As to performance, it's so-so in my 6.5x55.  Gave 2.75" groups.  I have a load worked up for the gun that I can usually get MOA out of.  In my .30-06, it did better.  It usually groups at 1.5", though with most other ammo I can get sub-MOA.  Plenty accurate enough for hunting or informal shooting, and it's always went bang :lol:.
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« Reply #2 on: October 10, 2004, 04:54:42 PM »
i figure for reloads i'll just use either Remington or Norma cases. i know someone who said the the igman .303 and .270 was very accurate, and that the 7.62x39 and .308 was garbage. buddy of mine used Bell 6.5 in his Ljungman and it blew the primers on every shot. this is my first semi auto and my first non .311 diameter centerfire. it's a 10 round mag right? mine will be pinned to 5. :cry:
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« Reply #3 on: October 11, 2004, 01:33:53 AM »
kevin303:  Good going Buddy, those Ljungmans are a hoot.  However, I've not heard of any problems chewing up brass or shuckin' 'em too far.  Mine drops them in plain sight (could be 20', lol) and the S&B I use is reloadable.  

Check the numbers on the stock disc, if it is still there, to see what the bore degradation level is.  I've seen Swedes with #3 bores that shoot better than I can.  Unfortunately, the military sights on those Swedes aren't the best for hunting but I wish you the best of luck.  

I can't recall any quirks or problems with mine - ya just gotta get to know those beasts, and then ya lovem.....  Big monsters to carry in the field though.

Good luck and let us know how it goes.  Mikey.
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« Reply #4 on: October 11, 2004, 02:10:09 AM »
The Sellier & Bellot 6,5 is the most accurate with Igman ammo being a close second.  But there is a new kid on the block its FNM ammo I just picked up some cases of it from sportsmans guide to try since i have heard its really good.  And i just reloaded some S&B ammo cases and it went fine plus i purchased some new remington cases from MidwayUSA to load up too.  I've only shot my swede M96 so far with great accuracy with the ammo but I picked up a ljungman too and i haven't shot it yet either but if its anywhere near the Hakim we are in for some awesome accurate smooth shooting!!!  I don't think it can get any better than this.  BigBill
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« Reply #5 on: October 11, 2004, 02:55:17 AM »
BigBill.

I just checked Sportsman's Guide and they appear to be out of the 6.5X55 FNM ammo.
That's too bad because it was a great deal on really good ammo.
The real plus is the cases are very durable for reloading.
I've reloaded them 10 or more times and they are holding up very well.

Bill
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« Reply #6 on: October 11, 2004, 04:15:29 AM »
I have both the Hakim and the 42B. The 42 is more refined and better made. The brass problem with the Hakim is that the ejected empty hits the operating handle and is then deflected forward at about a 30 degree angle from the muzzle. The brass gets a serious dent right across the body, but the 42's operating handle has a rubber pad so there's no problem with dents. Yes, mine throws brass at least 20 ft. There's an integral muzzle brake (not attached like the Hakim.) Recoil is near zero with the 6.5. Mine is very accurate.
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« Reply #7 on: October 11, 2004, 04:49:14 AM »
i got some pics but i can't upload them because they're to big. would anyone be willing to resize them if i emailed them to you?
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« Reply #8 on: October 12, 2004, 10:47:29 AM »
BTW  Coles distributing has FMN swede ammo I think its $128 / 500rds + shipping thats not too bad for 25 boxes.  Its around $6 with shipping.  BigBill
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« Reply #9 on: October 12, 2004, 12:14:30 PM »
Thanks for the tip BigBill.

The FNM ammo, while good shooting out-of-the-box, still isn't as accurate as the reloads I get by using spent FNM cases.
Could FNM ammo be used to adjust the sights on a Swede? (elevation).
I've added a SM F-ram rear sight to my M96 and now must sort out the front blade for 100 yards.
I'm inclined to shoot the FNM stuff to get 'in-the-ballpark', then fine tune the sights with handloads and possibly a file to the front blade.
Is this the right way to go about it?

Bill
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Re: FNM Ammo
« Reply #10 on: October 15, 2004, 01:55:51 PM »
Quote from: Runs with Scissors
Thanks for the tip BigBill.

The FNM ammo, while good shooting out-of-the-box, still isn't as accurate as the reloads I get by using spent FNM cases.
Could FNM ammo be used to adjust the sights on a Swede? (elevation).
I've added a SM F-ram rear sight to my M96 and now must sort out the front blade for 100 yards.
I'm inclined to shoot the FNM stuff to get 'in-the-ballpark', then fine tune the sights with handloads and possibly a file to the front blade.
Is this the right way to go about it?

Bill


If you talking about finding the correct front site height and then filling it down to zero it.  It maybe better to use the ammo your going to shoot the most of and sight it in just once rather than twice.  Then i would shoot the FNM ammo and figure out the off set to make it hit POA.  But it just maybe closer than you think too.                            BigBill
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