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Offline kevin.303

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« on: September 21, 2004, 05:38:44 PM »
i mentioned this in a few other threads, that i'm planning on having a .405 built on a No.4 Lee-Enfield. which are the best to start with? around here longbranchs are the most common, so that's probably what i'll end up using. i will try to find on thats already been sporterized because they sell for around $70 with a magazine, $40 without. i think thats a steal for a base rifle considering the stock and barrel are going to be discarded. the rear sights will be removed and the reciver cut down to more resemble a sporting rifle. i will have express sights to replace the originals. i want to have a really nice custom wood stock, but in reality if it's going to get used i will probably have synthetic stock modifed to accept the thicker barrel. or maybe have both and use the wood stock for display and range shooting, and the plastic for hunting. i plan to have it ready by moose season 2006, and try it out on a few porkers before that.


i'll be sure to psot before and after pics for all to drool over. :D
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« Reply #1 on: September 22, 2004, 09:49:49 AM »
I don't think you will be suucessful in this.The .303 round is a rimmed cartridge.Better if you use a full length Mauser action.
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« Reply #2 on: September 22, 2004, 10:55:20 AM »
the .405 winchester is also rimmed. it has the same head diameter, or close to it, and thats the reason why i choose that cartridge
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« Reply #3 on: September 22, 2004, 04:07:56 PM »
I was not aware that it was a rimmed shell.Just didn't want you to buy something you couldn't use.

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« Reply #4 on: September 22, 2004, 05:51:54 PM »
Kevin, have you got some stats on the .405 Win? What diameter bullet does it use? Does Winchester still make cases for it? Did it start as a black powder round?
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« Reply #5 on: September 22, 2004, 06:08:47 PM »
bullet diameter is .411" i do believe. it was introduced in 1904 for the winchester 1895 so i'm pretty sure it was always a smokeless powder load. about 3 years ago winchester made a special run of model 95's in .405 win. hornady sells both cases and factory loads at $32.99 each. your own bertram brass might also make cases.
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« Reply #6 on: September 22, 2004, 07:33:45 PM »
I was just looking at Woodleigh Bullets product list and they make a .412" cal 300gn RN SN specifically for the .405 Win. So there's another to try when you get there. In fact, the .405 looks like a good round for a large frame martini..........  :grin:
Mind you, I think I'd be buying the Hornady brass. Bertram makes great brass but at $80 for 20 cases OUCH!!  :eek:
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« Reply #7 on: October 09, 2004, 03:34:50 AM »
Kevin :

A lot of Enfield "experts" think that the Mark 4 #2 is the best of the Enfields because the trigger attachment is more stable that the earlier models. This makes the trigger more consistant, especially in extreme weather conditions.

I don't know if this is useful to you, but I offer it FYI.

Good luck.

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« Reply #8 on: October 20, 2004, 08:04:59 AM »
Quote from: dogngun
Kevin :

A lot of Enfield "experts" think that the Mark 4 #2 is the best of the Enfields because the trigger attachment is more stable that the earlier models. This makes the trigger more consistant, especially in extreme weather conditions.

I don't know if this is useful to you, but I offer it FYI.

Good luck.

Mark     8)


I am no expert on the enfields, but I would think that the P17 would get the nod over the rear locking Mark 4.
The Mark four has been used for the 45/70 and I wonder  at what pressure they will handle.
The p 17  has been used for the 300 Mag as well as the 7MM mag
Just my 02 cents
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« Reply #9 on: October 20, 2004, 09:01:43 AM »
Is there a reason that you chose the .405 over the .45-70?
Main reason  would be availibility of less expensive brass
for .45-70. I have seen many Enfields that were rebarreled to
.45-70 and it looks like a nice conversion. I have heard that
recoil was pretty rough on the shooter due to the stock design.
Never fired one myself though. I have seen some converted to
3 round capacity and some as single shots. Is modifying the
magazine difficult?
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« Reply #10 on: October 20, 2004, 09:02:57 AM »
yes, but i'm a big fan of the No.1/No.4 SMLE and this conversion has been done before(i think) also like i stated before, to convert from .303 to .405 you do not have to modify the boltface or the magazine. that just makes thing a little easier and therefore a little cheaper. if i where to build something on a P14/P17 i would go for a .25-06 or a .358 norma mag.
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