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Offline kevin.303

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« on: October 24, 2004, 06:26:17 PM »
well, i've started the steps to get my handgun licence and it got me thinking. i would like to try handgun hunting at least once. is it legal for a canadian resident to handgun hunt in the US? i'm think so, but i'm not sure. my first handgun will be a norinco 1911. i know there is an embargo on importing norincos to own and sell but would this ban prevent me from crossing the border with it? i know you guys must be tired of me always going on about how great norinco stuff is and how you can't own it, but i can't help it! popular designs+reasonable quality+low prices = FUN!
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« Reply #1 on: October 24, 2004, 07:00:52 PM »
I don't know of much the .45 ACP is of much use for in hunting. Maybe squirrels or rabbits where legal. I've shot dogs and cats with it and they kinda laughed at me and ran off. Personally I have more respect for the 9MM Parabellum than the ACP. It seems to kill the things I've shot with it more quickly and decisively.

That aside there is no laws I'm aware of to prevent you from hunting in the US with handguns. Now some states make it darn hard enough for a resident of that state much less an out sider. So yeah in some places it might be tough. But in most states it's not that difficult to hunt with one. I've done so in every state I've traveled to for hunting so far.

Now getting it across the border and back "might" be a trick.
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« Reply #2 on: October 24, 2004, 07:09:32 PM »
i think i have to get a special permit from the government to take it across and bring it back. probably have to do paperwork with the ATF as well. whats the opinion of the .45 LC, .44-40 and .44 C & B for hunting? i don't have much interest in cartridges like the .480 or the .454 but i do want to get into CAS.
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« Reply #3 on: October 24, 2004, 07:23:48 PM »
The .45 Colt is an excellent hunting round. Not the CAS level loads which barely get the bullet out the barrel however. But the old BP level loads for it were OK. That means pushing a 255 grain bullet to 900-950 fps. That's plenty for deer size critters. Move it up a notch in a Ruger or other strong modern revolver to a 280-300 grain at anything over 1000 fps and it's fine for most critters we have down here to hunt. If you're man enough to hold on a 325-330 at 1200-1250 will take anything that walks. In a Ruger I can't hold on tho. Now in a Raging Bull those same 325-330 bullets at 1600 are a push over.

The .44-40 is kinda marginal but if loaded up to old time BP specs should do on deer. Don't think I'd want to tackle hogs with them. The C&B guns I'm not up to speed on but I think a Walker .44 is pretty potent at max loads. Certainly as powerful or more so than the .44-40 and then some.
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« Reply #4 on: October 24, 2004, 07:27:33 PM »
in the end i guess it all boils down to shot placement and shooters skill.
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« Reply #5 on: October 25, 2004, 01:12:56 AM »
Just for reference:

Indiana will recognize your handgun license which will allow you to hunt in Indiana with a handgun. However .45 ACP isn't allowed for deer. You would have to check for the state your wanting to hunt in to see if they will recognize your handgun license and what caliber restrictions they have.

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IC 35-47-2-21
Recognition of retail dealers' licenses and licenses to carry handguns issued by other states
     Sec. 21. (a) Retail dealers' licenses issued by other states or foreign countries will not be recognized in Indiana except for sales at wholesale.
    (b) Licenses to carry handguns, issued by other states or foreign countries, will be recognized according to the terms thereof but only while the holders are not residents of Indiana.
As added by P.L.311-1983, SEC.32.

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Legal Handguns for Deer Hunting

Handguns, other than muzzleloading, must have a barrel at least four inches long and must fire a bullet of .243-inch diameter or larger. The handgun cartridge case, without the bullet, must be at least 1.16 inches long. Full metal-jacketed bullets are not permitted. A handgun may not be concealed. Handguns are not permitted on any military areas. Some types of handgun cartridges legal for deer hunting include 357 Magnum, 41 Magnum, 44 Magnum, 44 Special, 45 Colt, 45 Long Colt, 45 Winchester Magnum, 35 Remington and 357 Herrett.

Some illegal handgun cartridges for deer hunting are 38 Special, 38 Smith and Wesson, 38 Colt New Police, 38/200, 38 Long Colt, 38 Super, 38 ACP, 38 Colt Auto, 45 ACP, 45 Automatic and 45 Auto Rim. All 25/20, 32/20 and 30 carbine ammunition is prohibited also.

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Don't know firsthand what is involved for you to transport the firearm back and forth across the border.
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Re: cross border hunting and the norinco ban
« Reply #6 on: October 25, 2004, 01:33:44 AM »
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well, i've started the steps to get my handgun licence and it got me thinking. i would like to try handgun hunting at least once. is it legal for a canadian resident to handgun hunt in the US? i'm think so, but i'm not sure. my first handgun will be a norinco 1911. i know there is an embargo on importing norincos to own and sell but would this ban prevent me from crossing the border with it? i know you guys must be tired of me always going on about how great norinco stuff is and how you can't own it, but i can't help it! popular designs+reasonable quality+low prices = FUN!


Being that you are 20 years old, I think your are not allowed to carry a handgun in the US. You must be 21 unless accompanied by an Adult. Also I suggest you get a real gun if you plan on Hunting with a handgun. A 45ACP is a poor choice IMO.
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« Reply #7 on: October 25, 2004, 03:28:49 AM »
it'll probably at least 3-4 months before my licence is approved and i another week for the transfer of any pistoli buy. i turn 21 on december 31. wasn't planning on doing it for a few years yet, anyhow. just doing some research. i'm kinda surprised at the list of illegal hunting rounds but i guess it does make sense. they don't want people wounding deer with cartridge that would require pinpoint accuracy to ensure a clean kill.
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« Reply #8 on: October 25, 2004, 05:07:07 AM »
Once again, check for the individual state your wanting to hunt in.  In Indiana you can obtain a handgun license at 18yoa. Can carry in Indiana as long as your not under 18yoa and have a valid handgun license.
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« Reply #9 on: October 25, 2004, 01:37:45 PM »
It depends on where you live or plan to hunt. Here in Kentucky there are no handgun liscense unless you carry conceled, If its visable you can carry it anywhere unless otherwise posted. Here is a small problem with the caliber selected thou. I don't think this is a good idea but  the law says you can use any centerfire cartridge. Which means you can use a .25ACP, Why you would want to I don't know, thats what I don't agree with on the law but I do like that they will allow me if I am that stupid. I use a .357 which I also use in CAS Ruger Vaqueros and a marlin carbine .357, my best friend uses a .45LC with very good results. He has the full sized rifle to go with his rugers and that thing is devestating on deer.

Try looking at   kdfwr.gov or .com they'll fill you in on permits and have link to some local people who can help you out. 8)
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« Reply #10 on: October 25, 2004, 08:16:08 PM »
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It might simplify things if you borrow a handgun here when you cross the border into the US, regardless of your age when you hunt.  In my state, Washington, you could come here, buy an over-the-counter tag, and use darn near any handgun you're comfortable with.  Maybe you could hook up with someone that wants to swap hunts, and just use that person's handgun for your hunt.  Just plan on getting to your hunting area of choice a few days early, and make sure that the handgun being loaned to you is hitting where you want it.  Lots of hunters here are going to have far better hunting pistols available than the 1911 in 45 ACP.
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