B Square Airgun rings - junk?

[TC Shooter]

Thought most everyone knew that you couldn't trust B-Square. I got my fill trying to use their rings and mounts on air rifles. JUNK is putting it mildly. Lawdog

 :lol: What exactly is the problem with them. Was going to order a set before reading this on another thread.  I know the Beeman rings are recommended but with shipping they usually price out at $37 or so. Any less expensive alternatives?

[Graybeard]

Click on that banner up at the top of this page and visit the new Sponsor of this Forum. BKL Technologies. They specialize in rings and such for both Airguns and rimfire guns. Good quality products at reasonable prices. Avoid the B-Square junk.

[TC Shooter]

I agree that the BKL is a nice ring set - bought the 2 piece (model 257) rings and used them on my Marlin 17V. For use on my Beeman it sits too high. I wish BKL made a lower height version of the rings I have.

[Dand]

GB I saw where you were most unhappy with B-Square's scope alignment tool and their service  of it, but does that make all their stuff junk?  Isn't that a bit harsh?  I have a B square scope mount for my Ruger MK2 .22 pistol and it works pretty well.

[Lawdog]

TC Shooter,

Seeing that you used my statement to start off this thread let me explain.

1.]  Their bases are made of softer metal.  I bought one to use on a Sheridan pump.  You know the one that screws into the side holes originally ment for a peep sight.  The mount will bend quite easily.  If you have a Benjamin/Sheridan and want to use a mount like this type then get one by BKL Technologies.

2.]  Sloppy fit of rings.  Bought a set of their rings for a Beeman Super 12 and there was no way they would clamp securely to the dove tail groves.  They shot loose after 25 shots or less and that is out of a PCP rifle.  Tried the same set of rings on one of my Crosman 1377’s and it was the same story.

3.]  Tried to work with a set of their rings my son bought for his Ruger 10/22M and there was no way we could get the rings to line up(laying the scope on the bottom part of the rings while mounted on the rifle the scope visibly touched on the right side of the rear ring and the left side of the front ring so that it didn’t want to lay on the bottom of the rings without force) for mounting the scope.  Tried a set of Burris rings and no problem.

That was 3 strikes so they’re out.  Are B-Square products J U N K.....YES.  Lawdog
 

[Graybeard]

GB I saw where you were most unhappy with B-Square's scope alignment tool and their service of it, but does that make all their stuff junk? Isn't that a bit harsh?

Well if that was my sole basis for what I said then yes. BUT it wasn't the sole basis.

I've tried their rings and my opinion is based on that trial and I've tried their scope base for the Taurus RB and it is based on that. Now I must admit that the No Gunsmithing bases I bought from them for S&Ws many many many years ago were a fine product. Can't say the same however at this time for anything else I've gotten from them.

Don't believe I've said anywhere ALL of their products are junk. I said the alignment tool is junk and they don't honor the warranty. I say now I have used their rings and I consider them junk. I have used their Taurus RB scope base and it was junk in my opinion and so I more or less stated in my review of it. Those are the only products I am at this time making comments regarding.

[Dand]

Looks Like I was a little mixed up- TC was the one making the initial complaint here.  But it looks like there aren't many favorable votes showing up here.  

That's handy for me to know as I'm currently watching the auctions and classifieds  for scope mounts for my BSA Super Sport and Beeman R7.  Just grabbed a scope off ebay this morning. Guess I better be careful and get a good one. No doubt about it - I've seen a lot of good press for BKL.

thanks for the explanations.

[TC Shooter]

Thanks for the info Lawdog. I guess I will try to find another brand of rings. Maybe I will reconsider the Beeman rings - the shipping charges on them are a joke - almost 10 bucks to ship a set of aluminum rings a few hundred miles!

[Dand]

Check Ebay, there are some Beeman Rings on there now.  I bought some 5030m rings from Cabela's at a fair price a few years ago. The rings are steel and very sturdy.  Haven't put them on a gun to check alignment yet. Or check some of the air gun venders / GB advertisers - you should be able to find a fair deal.

Postage has become a real factor lately - gotta watch the shipping costs.

[TC Shooter]

Well, I lost a bid on a pair of nice Beeman rings on eBay  :x

[Dand]

I just saw that MDM put up a one piece beeman mount on Ebay - and no I'm not plugging his stuff or anything.  Just lurking for a good deal myself.  But really get a Cabela's catalog - they may have the rings at a fair price and spare the Ebay hassle. I looked on Cabela's online but couldn't find anything - but I thought I saw them in a recent catalog. Or try one of the online air gun sales folks. Some times I see people pay way too much on Ebay.

[TC Shooter]

I checked out Cabelas and with shipping the Beeman 5030M rings are over $39. D&R Sports center has the rings for $27 and then charges close to $10 for shipping  :roll: I may give a call to the place I bought my air rifle from and see what they charge.

I agree with you on eBay - people paying new prices for used items? The new in package Beeman rings on the auction I lost sold for $26 plus $4.25 shipping.

[Graybeard]

Midsouth Shooters Supply is now an advertiser on GBO. Shop them and save yourself some money. I've been buying most of my supplies from them for over 20 years.

www.midsouthshooterssupply.com

[TC Shooter]

Graybeard - I agree with you on Midsouth , that is where I order most of my shooting related items.  Just received my Harris bipod from them last week. They do not have overblown shipping charges like many others use.  Unfortuantely , I did not see any of the Beeman rings listed in their catalog.

[lilabner]

I ask because they are selling the Gamo Shadow for a much lower price than elsewhere except for Midway. Midway says the1r $99 specials are refurbished guns, not new. Would Midsouth neglect to mention that?

[Lawdog]

lilabner,

I would stay away from Gamo products.  They do not have the best name going for air rifle products.  And that is for new items not what someone has sent back because it didn't work.  For what you will pay for a Gamo you can find much better rifles from other manufactures that back up their products.  Lawdog
 

[lilabner]

Bought a refurb. Shadow for 99 bucks.  It shoots OK - groups about a third of an inch at 10 meters standing with the issue open sights. I haven't put quality pellets through it - just the Daisy wadcutter and Copperheads. I'll check out the good stuff in it later.The trigger is lousy but an aftermarket trigger will be available in a month as a drop in. I'm going to get one. Reduces pull to 2 lb. no creep.  It isn't a high grade gun by any means but should be serviceable as a pot gun on big game hunting trips. The Chinese liked the design enough to copy it. If it breaks I'll send it back to Gamo and they'll send me another refurb. Not a bad deal!
But, what I was asking about was MidSouth. Are they selling refurbs without identifying them as such? Looks like they might be as their price on the Shadow is way lower than others (but a tad higher than Midway). What do you think?

[Graybeard]

Midway says the1r $99 specials are refurbished guns, not new. Would Midsouth neglect to mention that?

NO!

Midsouth sells new merchadise. They do occasionally sell refurbished scopes but always as such, never as if new never sold. They buy Hornady Blem bullets and sell them but also as blems. I've never seen them sell anything but new full quality stuff otherwise and I've been dealing with them over 20 years.

[TC Shooter]

The rings I finally ended up with are the Beeman 5030M two ring set - got them on ebay. Hope to have a scope here in the next week or so!