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Offline kevin.303

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« on: October 29, 2004, 05:52:45 PM »
i'm gonna try this again. we've discussed having postal matches here before but nothing ever came of it. as of now i am volunteering to organize it, for lack of a better term, and score it and post the results. i know it cos to mail to canada but it only like a buck or something. think of what that $1 could buy you. bragging rights or public humiliation here on GBO!

it must be a military rifle, bolt or semi auto is allowed. must use iron sights only. cut down military stocks are acceptable, but no after market or synthetic stocks allowed. action must in it's original condition. 5 rounds from the prone position, no supports IE. bags bipods shooting sticks. targets are NRA 100 yard small bore rifle targets. shoot 3 targets pick your best and send it off.

so any of you guys interested this time?
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« Reply #1 on: October 30, 2004, 03:43:06 AM »
I've got a couple of suggestions.

1. Make "iron sights" read "as-issued iron sights".

2. Choose a target that is downloadable and printable from the web. NRA SR-1 target is available several places in a 8.5X11 format. This is a 100yd. version of a standard 200yd target. (I'm assuming the range is 100yd.

3. Some older shooters cannot get into the prone position easily. Consider making it bench with no supports.
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« Reply #2 on: October 30, 2004, 11:01:09 AM »
i keep forgetting many of you guys got a good 20 years on me. yes as issued iron sights is what i was aiming for( no pun intended) and bench with no support is fine. where can you find those targets? yes it is 100 yds. ammo can be either surplus or factory loaded to surplus, such as S & B or FNM.
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« Reply #3 on: October 30, 2004, 11:35:08 AM »
kevin303,
I know original mil sights are justified for this event, however, please hear me out.  I still enjoy some range time also, but as I am somewhat visually limited and cannot focus military style open sights any longer   with my Swedish M38 carbine, I have substituted the rear mil sight for a Mojo Peep Site and kept the original front blade.  Could you possibly consider a special Old Fart Class for us old stinkers????  Not asking for scopes or Red Dots you understand?

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« Reply #4 on: October 30, 2004, 11:42:46 AM »
sure Jim, why not. lets make the only restriction on sights no red dots or scopes, and no peeps if your eyes still work. :grin: the rear sight on that arisaka is sort of peep like, if i remember correctly. you in?i figure 5 is enough to go ahead, but if its only 3 thats all right to.
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« Reply #5 on: October 30, 2004, 11:50:39 AM »
Point Taken.....I believe the Enfield Mark 4 and 5's had peep sights correct???

Jim
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« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2004, 12:13:49 PM »
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i keep forgetting many of you guys got a good 20 years on me. yes as issued iron sights is what i was aiming for( no pun intended) and bench with no support is fine. where can you find those targets? yes it is 100 yds. ammo can be either surplus or factory loaded to surplus, such as S & B or FNM.


http://www.recguns.com/Targets/sr-1.pdf

http://www.surplusrifle.com/reviews/lilmiss/pdf/target.pdf

http://warhammer.mcc.virginia.edu/ty/targets.html
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« Reply #7 on: October 30, 2004, 12:39:19 PM »
imight have sounded sarcastic earlier but i wasn't trying to be, peep on your M38 is fine. and yes No.4's and No.s LE's have rear peep sight, but they ain't 6.5. if this one works will have a .303 match as well later on.
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« Reply #8 on: October 30, 2004, 01:41:32 PM »
kevin303....No not at all!  

Just pondering all the costs involved..........Guess I would like to hear from Mikey and Big Bill and a few more members.  Also, why must we limit it to just 6.5mm?  Why not just open it up to anyone with a milsurp regardless of caliber and see what happens???  Wouldn't it be a chuckle if someone with a sniper 03-A3 went up against an M96 Swede with their various issued sights or K-31???

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« Reply #9 on: October 30, 2004, 01:54:27 PM »
we could also do it open class as well as having caliber and rifle specific matches. right now i'm just trying to see if there's enough interest. as for expenses if we used printed targets off the net that only leaves ammo and postage.as for ammo, it would be cheaper and easier to score if we fired 5 shots instead of 10. the deadline for entries doesn't have to be anytime soon, so you could do it on a day when you're going to range anyways. is Greybeard a milsurp shooter? i don't think so, i can't recall ever seeing him around this part of the board.
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« Reply #10 on: October 31, 2004, 01:33:15 AM »
I would like to give this a try also. I bought my M96 years ago hopeing to find matches to shoot it in, then i got hooked on shilouette shooting and left the 96 on the shelf. I also have a K31 and M44 incase we have matches for them. Does unsupprted mean no sling? LouisV
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« Reply #11 on: October 31, 2004, 08:25:14 AM »
slings would be allowed. i think the first one will be open to all milsurps.
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« Reply #12 on: October 31, 2004, 03:21:19 PM »
Pick a caliber and i be there!!!!!!  Wether its 6,5 swede, 7mm mauser, 8mm mauser, 303 britt, 30-06, 308, 7.62x39, 7.62x54 anything i'm good to go??  :roll:  Ok off the hand, sling and bought ammo right?  So we do the 6,5 swede first?? :-D   100yd range right?   :grin:  I'm in :D ,   BigBill :lol:

All surplups thats ok too!!!!!!  But it still using bought ammo? And hand held? :lol:  Hmmm my m39 mosin or m96 swede?  100yds right?

Now how do we score the target?? Since most surplups shoot high at 100yds we should go by group size?(tightness) Or score the target?(10ring)  I think the group size gives everyone a good even shot at it.
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« Reply #13 on: October 31, 2004, 04:04:20 PM »
good to hear bill. group size will probably be best for scoring. bought ammo, as close to milspec as possible. if your using an obscure caliber, handloads are okay but it has to be a pretty rare caliber!. first one will be all milsurps to get the ball rolling, then caliber shoots after that. entry deadline is Nov.15, later we'll decide a deadline for shooting. :D
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« Reply #14 on: November 02, 2004, 08:02:29 AM »
Kevin303;  Don't feel bad about the years we old guys have on you.  I'll use my swede and i can count on one hand how many trips to the range its made so far with me.  I haven't shot it much i've been playing with the bigbores too much.  But i'm ready I just bought some more swede surplus ammo today.  Is any target ok a group is a group on any paper? Its down to 5 shots hand held.                                 BigBill
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« Reply #15 on: November 02, 2004, 09:01:56 AM »
Sounds like fun!  The only gripe I have is that it's starting to get cold here and the range I have access to is going to be shutting down after the fall deer season.  I'll give it a go if we do one in the spring though.

I ran a postal match on another board over the summer.  Just a suggestion, many folks such as myself don't have access to a decent (or any printer). We just used what ever targets we wanted since we were only interested in the 5-shot group size.  The stipulation was that you could only shoot one 5-shot group per target.
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« Reply #16 on: November 02, 2004, 03:33:46 PM »
I'm in :grin:

I've run a few internet postal matches over the years and would like to add a few things.

Participation is always less than it appears it will be as reflected in board chatter.  Therefore, make it as easy as possible to participate.  Allow as much leway as possible on sight gear.  Allow the use of any ammo including handloads.  Whether you decide to go for group size or score, make it at least ten shots.  Not everybody has a decent bench shooting set-up available and many old guys (like me :-) ) can't get into the military positions very well so do it from the offhand position.

Anyway, I'm in no matter what you decide! :grin:
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« Reply #17 on: November 02, 2004, 03:42:15 PM »
okay updated rules;

1. score will be based on size of 5 shot group. any target can be used for this purpose, i't would be best to use one with 1 inch squares for easier scoring.

2. any shooting position is allowed, but must be unsupported. ( excluding slings).

3. handloads will be allowed but they must use the same bullet weight and have similar performance as the original military loads.

could everyone who is participating send me a PM stating that and tell me what rifle they're using.

kevin :D
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« Reply #18 on: November 04, 2004, 11:44:42 AM »
kevin - count me in!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Now, let me get this straight - this is on the honor system, right (?????).  We shoot individually, at our own ranges, according to the regulations and mail the targets to you (hence Postal Match - got it.  Great idea) for scoring.  Forgive me, I seem to have developed a flat spot in the middle of my brain and my thinking reflects it, I'm sure.  

If this is correct, then how many times may I shoot and with how many different calibers?  This sounds like a lot of fun.  Thanks.  Mikey.
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« Reply #19 on: November 04, 2004, 11:52:56 AM »
i will be starting a new thread tonight with all the rules and info, as well as list of who is competing and what they're shooting. sorry mikey, one rifle only! but hey if this one works, there will probably be others.
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