Author Topic: Reminton Mod. 11, 12guage (Read 403 times)

bull · « **on:** November 04, 2004, 03:50:10 AM »

I'm having a problem with my old mod. 11. Doesn't want to feed from the magazine. Shells keep getting caught on the shell stop on the side of the receiver. They eject well when fired, and feed when dropped into the port. Could there be a broken spring, anything I can check without tearing it apart? I do have another that is totally apart for restoration, so if I do tear it down I can compare parts. Anyone work with these much before?

gunnut69 · « **Reply #1 on:** November 04, 2004, 05:25:04 AM »

There is a cam on the action bar that moves the shell stop out of the way to allow feeding onto the carrier. Is that what your saying isn't working? They sometimes fail and I've seen excessive wear fail to move them enough to release.. Also they can be bent in cases of extreme wear.

bull · « **Reply #2 on:** November 04, 2004, 10:53:05 AM »

That's the type of thing I was thinking. Guess I'll have to pull her down at least a little ways. It has seen it's share of shooting so maybe wear and tear has taken it's toll. Thanks for the input.

gunnut69 · « **Reply #3 on:** November 05, 2004, 05:57:14 AM »

A few hints'' keep the lifter pivots seperated by side. Take care when removing the buttstock to not damage the tube. After the butt is removed be sure to clean the 'inside' of the action spring tube and the magazine tube.. Carb cleaner(WalMart's cheapest) is the very best but it totally removes oils so the surfaces must be immediately protected... If the fiber washer is gone from the inside of the receiver or if it's worn, it must be replaced.. The place I see the most damage from neglect is the action spring tube and the trigger assembly. I've seen trigger springs ruined by rust in otherwise beautifully maintained weapons. I love the Browning designs and the M11 is a wonderful shotgun. A dear friend once told me that if the Browning/M11's were cleaned annually and the recoil spring/friction assembly were regularly check and replaced as needed they would never wear out.. I don't know about 'never' but they are some of the most durable shotguns around.. A fitting tribute to Brownings genius.

bull · « **Reply #4 on:** November 08, 2004, 03:34:09 AM »

Well, I tried a different shell stop, didn't help. I can't even manually cycle the action to clear shells from the magazine. The shell stop on the opposite side of the ejection port keeps stopping the feeding cycle. Is this cam that you mention part of the barrel extension, if that is called the action bar? Or is there a part of the bolt body that is supposed to hold the shell stop out of the way? It seems like if it were on the barrel extension, that it would only hold the stop out of the way if the action cycled under recoil, sending the barrel back in the receiver to operate the stop, but, you wouldn't be able to manually cycle the action to clear the magazine. That doesn't sound quite right. If it were on the bolt body it should work if operating under recoil or manually, as the bolt and the barrel recoil then unlock, then release the shell stop to allow only one shell to enter from the magazine. Or am I way off base? I may try the bolt from the project gun, once I can get all of the crud cleaned off of it. Or, I may compare dimensions of the 2 bolt bodies for the rib that rides in the slot over the shell stop. If you have any other ideas I'd love to hear them. Thanks

bull · « **Reply #5 on:** November 08, 2004, 01:51:17 PM »

Ok, now I have it figured out. It is not so much a cam as a groove in the barrel extension, properly called the action bar, that when the groove passes over the shell stop, it allows the shell stop to catch the shell coming from the magazine. In a normal position the full diameter of the barrel extension pushes the shell stop out of the way. I may not be able to explain it so clearly, but I got it. The barrel I'm working with is not the original barrel for this particular receiver. I did fit the action rails to the receiver when I got it. The "groove" in the barrel extension is about .125" too long, and/or too far forward as compared to the original barrel. Funny how it has worked for few years and several hundred rounds, then all of a sudden, bam. I think I can have a small bead of weld placed, then machined down to restore it to working order. Thanks for the help.

gunnut69 · « **Reply #6 on:** November 08, 2004, 06:50:58 PM »

Sorry for not getting back sooner but it's the week before the firearms deer season and the whole world is getting a little crazy around here.. Everybody wants this of that done and NOW is not nearly fast enough... I would be very curious to know what changed? Has something stopped allowing the barrel to fully enter the receiver. The forearm provides the spacer.. That cam groove didn't suddenly grow... Has the mag tube grown longer? Something as basic as that changes, I get suddenly very curious!

bull · « **Reply #7 on:** November 09, 2004, 03:34:51 AM »

I understand about people waiting till last minute. I try to be a step ahead. I am prepping for late season pheasant and winter clay shooting now. Deer season starts next week and I have been ready for a month.
Anyways... It appears that on the barrel I have been using, (not the original), the groove to allow the shell stop to lean into the receiver and intercept a shell was cut a little longer than the original barrel. Then add on a few years use and several hundred rounds of wear, the groove is now too long. The original barrel works fine. The replacement barrel is considerably newer than the receiver as well. I believe it is a matter of proper fitting. But, hopefully, the weld and machine process will correct the problem.