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Offline rldarmstr

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New to High Power Silhouette, many questions
« on: September 18, 2004, 03:00:36 AM »
I know we all just love these new guys with all the questions, right? :)

I have read the rules in the NRA's manual but that still leaves room for a lot of additional information.

I have read a little about the sport but never actually saw a match or participated in one. I see many forums here and many references to caliber types that I am unfamiliar with. My first question then would be; what caliber and type of firearm would be appropiate for High Power Silhouette?

I also assume from the forum titles that there are several different disciplines of High Power Silhouette? If that is true then I would be most interested in a discpline that was 'hunter' orientated.  In other words, used more or less standard hunting type rifles and equipment ( if there is such a thing)

I thank all who respond and throughly appreciate any and all assistance.

Robert

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« Reply #1 on: September 18, 2004, 03:56:34 AM »
Robert:

Welcome aboard! We will all try to provide you with as much information we have gathered through experience and research - and from discussions on websites like this one.

Since you are interested in participating in a hunter-oriented activity, HPR silhouette is the way to go. Specifically, Hunter HPR silhouette.

Silhouette shooting boils down to 4 fundamental elements that will develop you into a better shooter. They are, not necessarily in the proper order:

a) Proper positioning for shooting offhand
b) Trigger control
c) Self discipline
d) Developing a well-tuned hunting rifle and optimum loads for it

Other skills you will develop will be:
a) How to interpret mirage
b) Better estimating of distances and Kentucky windage
c) Better all-around shooting skills

For starters, your HUNTER rifle will preferably be a Remington, Winchester, Tikka, Sako or other reputable firearm in SHORT ACTION. The rules, as you have already read, limit the rifle's stock dimensions to follow those found in factory hunting rifles, limit barrel length to a maximum of 26 inches, barrel contour must be tapered and the trigger pull must meet a minimum of 2 pounds. Remington and Winchester rifles benefit from accurizing and action bedding, while Sako and Tikka rifles usually require no more work than adjusting trigger weight.

Caliber/Cartridge:
Since the you want to shoot consistently and repeated recoil will tire you out as the match progresses, caliber and load combinations that will reliably knock down the targets at all distances with a minimum of recoil are preferred. Popular calibers for Hunter class are: .260 Rem., 7mm-08 Rem., 6.5 x55mm Swedish, .308 Winchester. The 7mm Remington Bench Rest and .243 Winchester cartridges are also used, but they a marginal and tend to be too weak to reliably knock down the 500 meter rams.

Scope:
The most important requirement in a scope for this sport is for it to have the ability to precisely track elevation and windage adjustments. That is, the adjustments must be able to reliably move the point of impact to where you want the bullet to hit time-after-time-after-time. Good scope brands are Leupold, Weaver, Bushnell 4200, Redfield and others. Magnification is an acquired taste. Some shooters, like Dave Imas, who posts here, like using 6X while others use 36X. I use anywhere from 10 to 20X.

I'm sure other members are better qualified to give you advice on position and trigger control, since, as a lot of folks know, I am not yet an expert on those subjects  :eek:  nor in self-discipline, so I'll leave that as my $0.02 worth. :cb2:
Joaquin B.:cb2:

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« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2004, 05:38:57 AM »
Jake,

 Thanks for the detailed reply.  I guess I should have elaborated a bit on my shooting history, in my first post, but I didn't want to be too wordy my first time out.

I am fimilar with silhouette through BPCR compition but have never shot a smokeless version of this discipline. My concerns are that I would have a suitable rifle and caliber to fit the sport. And also find out what modifications might be acceptable. I really didn't want to have to buy the whole ball of wax to play this game, if I didn't have to!

Between my first post here and your reply to that, I have re-read the NRA Rifle Silhouette Rules and answered a couple more questions, myself.

Your responce brings a couple more things to mind however.  My equuipment currently consists of; Remington 700 BDL 30-06, aluminum bedded straight walnut stock, Redfield older target scope in 20X. The Redfield is not the 3200 type target scope but one more a tune to a normal hunting scope in appearance.  No number classification on it anywhere, but it seems to be an excellent scope.  

Per your responce, I take it 30-06 is over kill?

Would the aluminum bedding be a problem?

My testing at the range thus far, with this equipment has yielded me MOA accuracy at 200 yards ( limit of my range). My load consistes of 168gr Hornady over 47.2 gr of Vihta Vouri, N-150.  I have definate concerns about the load 'drop' and 'knock down' capability at the longer distances. The muzzle velocity is only around 2450 with this load, but it does group quite well. Since you listed other calibers and smaller calibers I assume you have higher volicities to accomodate a flatter trajectory and more 'mass' at the target?

I would like to hear your thoughts on what I've written here.

Robert

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« Reply #3 on: September 18, 2004, 06:07:55 AM »
Robert:

Your 30-06 shold not be a problem, provided it weighs 9.00 lbs or less. I also shoot my 30-06 "two-legged varmint" rifle on a few occasions, albeit with a heavier 24 inch barrel, in Standard class This rifle has a Leupold 3.5-10X scope and weighs 9.85 lbs. If your rifle exceeds the 9 lb. weight limit, you might want to lighten-up the trigger to a SAFE 1 lb. or lesser pull weight and shoot Standard class.

I use sierra 168 HPBT MAtch bullets for rams, on Remington brass, with approximately 49 grains of VARGET, using Winchester LR primers. Velocity is around 2,650 FPS and I have yet to lose a ram with that load.

For shorter distance, you might want to develop milder loads using either 150 or 155 grain bullets pushed to 2600 FPS. I use 150 gr. bullets, also propelled by VARGET, for chickens, pigs and turkeys.  One MOA will suffice, as far as precision goes

I know at least one individual who shoots a .270 in hunter class, so the '06 will do fine. :wink:
Joaquin B.:cb2:

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Standard Class Weight Limit?
« Reply #4 on: September 18, 2004, 08:12:29 AM »
Hey Guys,

Been giving the thought of trying this discipline out as well and was wondering what the weight limits are.  I can't find my rulebook and its out of date anyway.  Could someone help me out?

Thanks for the info on hunter class!

Billy

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« Reply #5 on: September 19, 2004, 04:15:12 AM »
Guy's:

 Glad to hear you are interested.

Most local match directors aren't to concerned with equipment rule.  They are just glad to see new shooters. As long as what you shoot doesn't damage the targets, ie magnums.

If you want to try this game why not just find a local match and go shoot.  Just about anything you have will work and there will be lots of people to help.  This is really a fun shooters game and although we talk a lot about equipment, I think you can start having fun with just about anything.

Just my opinion.
Lucho

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« Reply #6 on: November 18, 2004, 11:20:32 AM »
I don't want to sound sappy but you are about to embark an an extremely exciting adventure in your shooting life. I have found high power silhouette shooting to be challenging, frustrating, enjoyable, satisfying and gratifying. I have shot many calibers and rifles since the late 70's. don't be afraid to use a factory remington to get started most guns will shoot a minute of angle right out of the box. Very few people on the planet can hold a minute of angle anyway. Today I own a remington 700 in a 308 and a 40x remington in a 708. I prefer the 708 because of the lessened recoil and the ballistic coefficient of the 7mm bullets. McMillan stocks are the best (MY OPINION). My scope is a 18x40x50 premier reticule conversion. I shoot sierra 175 match at the rams. (DO YOUR TESTING FOR THE RAMS WHEN IT IS ON THE WARM SIDE.) SOME POWDERS ARE TEMPERATURE SENSITIVE. IF YOU WORK UP A RAM LOAD IN THE COLD WEATHER YOU MIGHT HAVE A NASTY SUPRISE WHEN IT IS 90 DEGREES...... )   130 sierra match at the rest. Federal 210 match primers. h4064 and varget powders. I use winchester brass. I like burris signature rings so I can shim the scope to shoot long range. Get yourself a good timer. Fishing tackle boxes work good for all your stuff you will acumulate.
A few things to think about
comfort is everything adjust your gun to fit you like a glove
trigger control is extremely important (a good trigger)
make sure your gun makes weight (10lbs 2oz) max
consistency equals accuracy
be willing to dry fire
practice practice practice
have fun
mbj
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