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Offline doublebeard

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454 casull or 480
« on: November 07, 2004, 02:15:45 PM »
I'm planning a hunting trip to canada for Bear and Moose. I would like to take a pistol on this trip but i'm not sure which one would be best the 454 casull or the 480 ruger.

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« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2004, 02:29:40 PM »
I do not think you are allowed to bring a handgun in Canada. Some funny law they have up there........
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« Reply #2 on: November 07, 2004, 03:05:32 PM »
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I do not think you are allowed to bring a handgun in Canada. Some funny law they have up there........


I think your thats true. But if you are able to pick the one you are most comfortable with and can shoot most accurately. Both will work fine.

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« Reply #3 on: November 07, 2004, 04:29:15 PM »
:eek: dont even think about it.  handguns are illegal in canada.   it would be like trying to smuggle dope into the u.s.   that is a very bad idea.

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« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2004, 06:19:52 AM »
Go to jail, directly to jail, do not pass go, do not collect $200. Kiss your guns goodbye. Under no circumstances will you get your handgun back. :cry:

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« Reply #5 on: November 10, 2004, 01:48:00 PM »
Handguns are illegal in Canada but that’s no reason not to buy a gun. I would go with the 480 Ruger because I like bigger holes :o).

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« Reply #6 on: November 10, 2004, 02:13:04 PM »
I have a 480 SRH and love it :grin:  and it doesn't recoil like a 454 casull.
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« Reply #7 on: November 10, 2004, 02:35:36 PM »
Don't forget the 454 is very versatile. Not only can you shoot 45 Colt, you can load the 454 brass down to Ruger-level 45 Colt power very easily. Even though the 454 is well known for shooting 240-260gr jacketed to close to 2000fps, it is great for shooting those heavy (325-350gr) cast at or slightly above 44mag velocities and the recoil is not nearly so sharp. The brass is a bit expensive (so is 480) but there is a tremendous selection of bullets.

Of course, they're both really good :-)

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« Reply #8 on: November 11, 2004, 05:41:24 AM »
My FA .454 came with a .45 colt and a .45acp cylinder---just for the heck of it , one day I put in the .45acp cylinder and tried some of the hand loads I had sitting around. The bullseye loads were like shooting a .22lr. The .45 Super loads---200gr XTP over 10 gr Power Pistol were bullseye accurate and chronoed at just over 2000 fps!!! from the 10 inch barrel---with almost no recoil. Man!---that sure beat the same load from a 5 inch 1911 at 1250 fps!!!! I haven't tried down loading the .454 case, but I am going to try some heavy hardcast---360 gr lead. pg
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« Reply #9 on: November 12, 2004, 05:44:25 AM »
What?? Another brain fart on my part!!!!!----that was a 185 gr XTP in that 45 Super load----sorry about that. But it got me thinking that maybe versatility is not the word to describe a firearm. Think about Elmer Keith using what today would be a middle of the road .44 mag load to bust rocks and take small game, antlered game and even dangerous game. The GUN was adapted to all those situations----ELMER was versatile. :? pg
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« Reply #10 on: November 13, 2004, 03:29:13 AM »
I pick the 480 if you handload.  Lots of power, big holes.  It can be loaded with a 425-440 grain bullet.  I usally use a 370-390 for most of my shooting.  454 is a great round too.  It comes down do you like speed or bullet weight.  Everyone has a preference.  

Don't bring the revolver into Canada.  It is a MAJOR issue, and jail is no fun.

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« Reply #11 on: November 19, 2004, 05:56:41 PM »
Forget the 480 Ruger; that thing is just a short&weak version of the 475 Linebaugh.
Go with the 454 Casull, or better yet go with the 500 S&W Magnum.
Once again, forget the Ruger; barely above a 44 Magnum in horsepower, but the ammo costs at least twice as much !
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« Reply #12 on: November 19, 2004, 06:11:25 PM »
This is a quote from a friend of mine that was elk hunting with a 400gr load out of the 475 moving just under 1300fps.

480 with 400gr bullets can be loaded @ 1250fps so this is very close to the load he was using in his 475. This velocity with a hardcast bullet will kill anything on the planet.

“I was using my .475 Linebaugh with the Speer 400 grain Gold Dot.  The photo of the bullet is one that broke the left rear leg, traveled through the body and stopped under the hide on the right shoulder.  Just about 5.5 feet of penetration from a sixty yard shot.”

This was with a bullet that had some expansion. That is 66” of penetration. With a hardcast bullet it would have penetrated completely through.

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« Reply #13 on: November 20, 2004, 03:30:45 AM »
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Forget the 480 Ruger; that thing is just a short&weak version of the 475 Linebaugh.
Go with the 454 Casull, or better yet go with the 500 S&W Magnum.
Once again, forget the Ruger; barely above a 44 Magnum in horsepower, but the ammo costs at least twice as much !


This comment shows a complete lack of understanding of how big bore handguns kill. Velocity is NOT king and matters little. When you push a huge hunk of lead out at 1000 fps or more it is perfectly adequate for most anything you'll take on with it. To get more killing power you do not push that bullet faster, you push a larger diameter and/or heavier bullet.

The .480 at same pressure levels pushes bullets to within 100-150 fps of the Linebaught. After all the Linebaugh case is 1.4" long and the .480 case is 1.285" long that's a whopping difference of 0.115" and at most 2-3 grains of powder.

Anything the .475 will kill the .480 will kill just as dead.

In the comparison to the .44 mag there is no comparison. The .480 will push bullets to 440 grains easily. The .44 Mag is running out of steam at 325 grains. You can push the 440s around same as the 325s in the .44.


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« Reply #14 on: November 20, 2004, 06:07:47 AM »
Well, Graybeard put it so eloquently I dont think I could really add much.  All I can say is that even though my pick would be the .454 the .480 is a complete different beast.  Among the many reasons for its invention one great benifit of the .480 is that it wont beat ya as much as the Linebaugh (not that there aint a big reduction in the kick.)  If you own a Linebaugh your probably reloading so this the shooter has the option of downloading.  But factory ammo is a different matter.  Its usually full throttal or nothing.  But the big benifit, as Graybeard says, comes from keeping the same bullet diameter.  Back when Blackpowder was all there was our ancestors learned something from its limited potential.  Since BP will only get your gun shooting so fast, and you take a small diameter bullet and a large diameter bullet, the big round is what kills the best.  Why?  Its all about momentum and wound channels.  Rifles kill because they are moving so fast that the majority creat some degree of hydrostatic shock.  Normally you need to get a bullet going around 2500 fps (I believe was the speed I read,) to create the HS shock.  Most handguns dont generate that kind of velocity, so they rely on large wound channels, and heavy bullets (which equal increased momentum,) to do the job.  What does all this mean?  Well it is an example why two generally weak hunting rounds (at least compared to modern rounds) like the .357 Mag and .45 Colt (in standard velocity ranges), when put head to head, would find the Colt a bit better in the kill department.  Sorry for the long, elaborating lecture.  I bet your bored now so Ill stop.  Ill just finish by saying that, ESPECIALLY if you handload, you cna not go wrong with either round.
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« Reply #15 on: November 20, 2004, 01:55:38 PM »
and thats the other reason i got a 480 instead of a 454
and why i have a 45/70 instead of a 338 rum or 375
and if I'm not mistaken the 475 is a cut down 45/70
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