Author Topic: What is the recoil of this ammo? (Read 839 times)

The deerslayer · « **on:** November 14, 2004, 08:56:32 AM »

I was looking at Winchester loads for the 454 casull. I seen there was loads that had lower velocity and energy. They look a little stronger than their 44 mag loads. What would the recoil be?

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #1 on:** November 14, 2004, 09:33:38 AM »

I have found the Winchester 250 gr. 454 Casull to be very light in the recoil department. I would compare them to my hot loaded 44MAG's. But recoil to me might not be the same to you.

The deerslayer · « **Reply #2 on:** November 14, 2004, 12:21:25 PM »

Thanks I needed that because I heard with the standard loads that someone broke their wrist :shock:

Don Dick · « **Reply #3 on:** November 14, 2004, 12:59:01 PM »

Redhawk1 is right on the money. I am using the 250 grain Winchester loads myself. I personally think my Ruger Super Redhawk recoils worse
then my 500 S & W with the 300 grain winchester 454 loads.

The deerslayer · « **Reply #4 on:** November 14, 2004, 01:10:40 PM »

Quote from: Don Dick

Redhawk1 is right on the money. I am using the 250 grain Winchester loads myself. I personally think my Ruger Super Redhawk recoils worse
then my 500 S & W with the 300 grain winchester 454 loads.

WOW! I was just thinking about the standard loads. I think when I get the gun (if I get that gun) I will use the 250 grain loads or 45 colt loads.
how mush does the other loads recoil compared to 44 mag loads?

S.S. · « **Reply #5 on:** November 16, 2004, 03:55:53 AM »

I'm not sure that I would jump right into a 454.
I noticed that you are 13 years old, And meaning no
dis-respect, but I don't think I personally could have handled
a full house .454 load at 13. I wasn't Recoil shy, but My hands simply were not big enough to hold onto a large handgun properly.
(To be honest' they still aren't, short fingers)
I don't know how big of a guy you are
(My twin nephews were 6 feet tall at 14 years old)
But the .454 is a pretty stout cartridge.
I personally started out with a 357 Mag. I still carry that same handgun
on a lot of hunts. and have never been dis-pleased with it.
I own .44's, .45's and even one .50, But that old .357 still goes
with me.

The deerslayer · « **Reply #6 on:** November 16, 2004, 01:02:57 PM »

Quote from: S.Sumner

I'm not sure that I would jump right into a 454.
I noticed that you are 13 years old, And meaning no
dis-respect, but I don't think I personally could have handled
a full house .454 load at 13. I wasn't Recoil shy, but My hands simply were not big enough to hold onto a large handgun properly.
(To be honest' they still aren't, short fingers)
I don't know how big of a guy you are
(My twin nephews were 6 feet tall at 14 years old)
But the .454 is a pretty stout cartridge.
I personally started out with a 357 Mag. I still carry that same handgun
on a lot of hunts. and have never been dis-pleased with it.
I own .44's, .45's and even one .50, But that old .357 still goes
with me.

I don't have to worry about the large grips. I got to hold one and they are actually about right for me.

I really don't know about the 454 right now because I still am thinking about which one to get. Just getting info now to help me make my decision.

mr.frosty · « **Reply #7 on:** November 16, 2004, 02:53:42 PM »

S.Sumner has a good idea, start with a 357 gain control the move up
to something bigger like the 41 or 44 loaded a little stout then try a
454 once you have a good understanding how different loads and different
guns recoil just to gain a perspective of what to expect when trying a 454.

S.S. · « **Reply #8 on:** November 20, 2004, 02:09:58 PM »

Another reason is that when you become proficient
with one gun/caliber, It gives you an excuse to buy
another gun to move up to :grin:

Don Dick · « **Reply #9 on:** November 20, 2004, 04:20:53 PM »

I would describe the 300 grain Winchester load as brutal in the 454 Ruger at least untill I mounted a scope and rings on it.

My load for the 500 S&W is a 370 grain CPB behind 44.5 grains of H110
and it still is easier to handle because its heavier.

Deerslayer, try the 357 mag first, it will keep your attention with full house loads for a while and then move up. There is a reason the 38 special is the most loaded pistol caliber. It does not cost much to reload and its pleasant to shoot. The more you can shoot the better you will get at it.

I don`t want you to get discouraged by starting at the top. Or worse, have you get hurt.

mr.frosty · « **Reply #10 on:** November 21, 2004, 01:31:00 PM »

what they said practice does help alot and i am still practicing and
practicing :oops:

The deerslayer · « **Reply #11 on:** November 21, 2004, 02:19:30 PM »

I guess I should get the 357 first. Thanks for all your help. I will let you know what I get after christmas. I like the looks of a nice taurus with a six and 1/2 inch barrel.

mr.frosty · « **Reply #12 on:** November 22, 2004, 12:03:21 PM »

also check out the smith and wesson they have one model i like its a 7
shot i just don't remember which model it is and the ruger gp 100
handles real well both would worth checking out

LarryL · « **Reply #13 on:** November 24, 2004, 07:09:52 AM »

I would not start out with a .454 at your age! This is not being macho or anything, just being reasonable and picking a handgun that will do what you need and be fun to shoot. I see you are PA. Anything you will be hunting there will be more than handled with a .44 mag. If you want to go bigger, you might also consider the .480. It is still pretty manageable compared to the .454. Either one, or even the .41 mag is more than powerful enough for PA deer. The last thing you want to do is start out with too heavy a gun before you are a seasoned handgunner with hard kicking pistols. If you develop a flinch in your shooting, it will take a lot of hard work to correct it.

I recently had a younger fellow used to shooting 9mm and 45 auto ask to shoot my SBH .44. He was a friend of a coworker, so I was willing to let him try it. He had already bought a box of factory ammo, planning to shoot a bunch of it in my gun, and then go buy one of his own if he liked it. He fired it twice with his factory ammo and smacked his knuckle pretty hard with the trigger guard. I tried to counsel him on how to hold a single action grip so that would not happen, but he didn't want to shoot it again. Said he had changed his mind, and even gave me the rest of his box of ammo!

And, not to sound alarmist or anything, but a 12 year old kid was killed earlier this year by a .454 Casull. No, not by the bullet. He was killed when the gun recoiled, striking him in the forehead, resulting in brain damage and death.

I'm just saying start out with something manageable and work your way up. I started pistol shooting with a .22 and a .38/.357 when I was a teenager. I thought my model 27 S&W with .357s kicked pretty hard back then. Now, that's a pussycat, and I shoot lots of hot handloaded .44s and .480s in my SBH and a scoped SRH. I love pistol shooting and switched to all handgun hunting for deer last year. This year I took a 205# 12 point buck with the .480. I love handgunning and handgun hunting, and hope you will too. Just don't get to anxious to get into the big guys, and end up spoiling it for yourself.

regards,