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Offline dogdoc1

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« on: October 11, 2004, 01:57:47 PM »
I have a new 1895 and want some heavy 350 grain loads. I notice some manuals (hODGEN) take the lever action marlin to 40000 CUP and others do not. Am I correct to assume any load under 40000 CUPshould be safe regardless of what gun the manual says it is for? The 444 and 450 marlin work at that pressure and more. I can load from the Hodgen manual but would like more bullet selection from the other manuals operating at the same pressure levels. mAny suggestions or comments? Thanks

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« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2004, 10:27:22 AM »
What bullets in particular were you interested in loading?
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« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2004, 11:56:22 AM »
You can find some good load data at www.realguns.com.

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« Reply #3 on: November 17, 2004, 09:44:59 AM »
Follow the Hodgdon recommendation strictly: precisely the same brass, primer, bullet, powder, powder charge, case length and so on.
Any change in these variables can jump pressure markedly.
And therein lies the bugaboo: too many reloaders don't follow the load precisely and get into problems.
Also, be very aware that every gun is an individual. I have a Marlin 1895 .45-70 I bought new in 1977. The oft-quoted load of 53.0 grains of IMR3031 under a jacketed bullet creates excessive pressure in this rifle.
It may not in yours, do so in your neighbor's, and yet be perfectly fine again in a rifle clear across the country.
Each gun is an individual. Too many reloaders forget that.
I am very wary of any loads listed on the Internet, especially those recommended on sites that do not belong to ammunition, powder or component manufacturers.
Too many reloaders toss about loads, especially high-intensity loads, without regard to the individuality of guns or listing the specifics.
Never, ever use a load off the internet without checking it against a reputable, recently published reloading manual or the website of a company that publishes reloading manuals.
Also, just because the .444 Marlin and .450 Marlin MAY work at 40,000 CUP the .45-70 may not. And there may be a very good reason the manufacturer why it won't. I'd suggest you contact Marlin and ask if it can be loaded the same pressure as the .444 or .450 Marlin.
My personal philosophy: Heavy, maximum or near-maximum loads are not needed in the .45-70. A 400 grain bullet at 1,700 fps will take anything in North or South America.
The .45-70 was reliably killing elk, moose, grizzly and buffalo at under 150 yards when its 405 gr. lead bullet was propelled at 1,200 fps.
The .45-70, because of its rainbow trajectory, is limited to 200 yards, preferably 150 yards maximum, in the game fields.
The 350 gr. bullet at 1,800 fps is plenty for big game. If you need more power, use the heavier 400 or 420 gr. bullet at 1,700 fps or so.
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« Reply #4 on: November 17, 2004, 11:06:17 AM »
or try the pmc 350 grain at 2025 fps
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« Reply #5 on: November 17, 2004, 12:33:44 PM »
Those PMC 350gn +P+ loads shoot right at an inch in my 1895.  I'd really like to shoot something with less recoil, and I sure don't need the extra energy, but they shoot so well that until I get a good hand load worked up I'll stick with them.
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« Reply #6 on: November 18, 2004, 04:21:10 PM »
dogdoc1 -

Send me an email of PM (although I don't check PMs very often) and I'll send you a copy of my spreadsheets - over 250 factory loads from bullet and powder manufacturers, plus all my chrono and target data for the 18 I've worked up for my 1895.

Several excellent 350g loads plus lots of others.
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« Reply #7 on: December 01, 2004, 02:06:32 PM »
Coyote Hunter
Could you please send me those loads you offered by email?  I would sure appreciate it.

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