Attention 8mm Fans!!!

[Patriot_1776]

One of Barnes' new products for 2005 is an 8mm TSX weighing 180gr.  Good start, and answers the questions of those wondering when they are coming out with a TSX in 8mm.  

http://www.barnesbullets.com/prodtsx_new.php

P.S.  I think we can thank Winchester for introducing their new WSM lineup runner, the 325 WSM; it seems Barnes took that new cartridge into consideration and decided they might make a gain on it.

  Patriot
Wishing a Happy and Safe New Year to you all :cb2:

[kombi1976]

WOO HOO!!!!!!  
It'll make a nice deer bullet for loading in my 8x57  :grin:

[lgm270]

Barnes has made 180  grain 8mm's for a long time now.  What's difference about this new bullet.

Actually, as far as the X bullet is concerned, I was hoping for a 160 grainer.  The 180 grain X is kind of long for the 8x57 and given the performance of this bullet, a 160 grain, or even a 150 grain weight, would achieve higher velocities and would be a great deer bullet in any of the 8mm's.  

As it is, the sierra 175 grain  conventional jacketed spitzer sp shoots very well. An all copper 150-160 grain barnes x bullet would have the same external shape adn the 175 grain JSP and would be a very cool item.

[Patriot_1776]

What's difference about this new bullet.

I know what you mean about Barnes already offering an X-Bullet for 8mm. Remember, this is the new Barnes TSX (Triple Shock X-Bullet). The difference is this utilizes the three rings milled into the bullet's shank.  That helps reduce pressures, can be loaded a little higher and therefore gain a slight velocity edge.
 
-Patriot

[kombi1976]

Barnes has made 180  grain 8mm's for a long time now.  What's difference about this new bullet.

Actually, as far as the X bullet is concerned, I was hoping for a 160 grainer.  The 180 grain X is kind of long for the 8x57 and given the performance of this bullet, a 160 grain, or even a 150 grain weight, would achieve higher velocities and would be a great deer bullet in any of the 8mm's.

If you have misgivings about Barnes's bullet length I'm not sure what you'd think of Woodleigh's latest offering. This year they've released a whopping 250gn RNSN bullet.  :twisted:

In the catalog they say it's good for the 8x57JS and based on their previous reliability I'm sure their right. Looking at ADI's(Hodgdon) figures for 220gn bullet loads I'd imgaine your 250gn bullet wouldn't get going any faster than about 2200fps, great for big game out to about 150yards but not so good for distance shots.

However, in a 8mm-06AI, 8x68S or a 8mm Rem Mag it could really open up your options, especially if they release a 250gn FMJ. Not sure that it would be real good for the WSM cartridge though since it's 1.356" long. Wotcha reckon?  :wink:

[Lawdog]

What's difference about this new bullet.

I know what you mean about Barnes already offering an X-Bullet for 8mm. Remember, this is the new Barnes TSX (Triple Shock X-Bullet). The difference is this utilizes the three rings milled into the bullet's shank.  That helps reduce pressures, can be loaded a little higher and therefore gain a slight velocity edge.
 
-Patriot

You forgot that the TSX bullets seem easier to get to shoot accurately than the old X or XLC bullets.  Not so much playing around with seating depths.  Lawdog
 

[Drilling Man]

I honestly don't see how anyone could improve on the performance of the 8mm 200 grain Nosler partition!!  I've shot everything from coyotes to moose with it, and it has worked perfectly every time!!

  It expands well on smaller animials, and penetrates very good on moose ect...

  It's good enough that i don't even have a desire to try something different..

  Drilling Man

[lgm270]

Hello Drilling Man: Like you I"m a big Nosler Partition fan and I have loaded the 200 grain Partition in the 8x57, although have never hunted with  it.

Would you be willing to share some of your pet loads with me?  

Best,

lgm270

[Lawdog]

Drilling Man,

I used to feel the same way about Nosler Partition bullets.  A bigger backer for the use of premium bullets, especially Partition, on all game than me you would have been hard pressed to find.  But that all started to change three years ago.  I read an article about the possibility of the government banning the use of lead in hunting bullets.  I mean they are already banning it’s use in shotgun ammo and in some areas for fishing.  I figured why wait until they make it a law and started to look for lead free bullets that would be the equal of Partition’s.  Thus I tried Barnes bullets, X and XLC’s.  In a few different caliber’s I had a bit of trouble getting the accuracy I wanted.  Had to play around with seating depth, etc..  Then Barnes introduced the TSX line and what a difference.  Excellent accuracy, less copper fouling and penetration equal to or better than Partition’s, especially in bullets of the same weight.  Last year the family used nothing but the TSX bullets for taking of deer, Wild Boar and Black Bears.  With the exception of one bear, one boar all were one shot kills.  Only recovered one bullet, all others exited the animal shot.  Calibers used were .243 thru .458.  Now I sing the praises of TSX bullets to everyone.  Lawdog
 

[kombi1976]

I can't see that happening here in Oz, if for no other reason than we have so many less shooters. You'd have to pepper the landscape in bullets before you had any real effect on the eco system. The problem is that lead is so dense and heavy that there really isn't a more appropriate material for most applications. Plus it expands well with the correct jacket. There are other substances that deform well like lead but they're far too light and others that are heavy but they either wear a barrel horribly and or don't mushroom effectively.

[Drilling Man]

Hello Drilling Man: Like you I"m a big Nosler Partition fan and I have loaded the 200 grain Partition in the 8x57, although have never hunted with it.

Would you be willing to share some of your pet loads with me?

  My "all time favorite" load for "mice to moose" in my drilling is,

  Krieghoff drilling 16x16x 8x57jrs (8x57 rimmed .323 bore)
  RWS case, fl. sized
  200 grain Nosler partition bullet
  55.0 of H-205 powder
  Rem. 9-1/2 primer

  This load isn't a max load in my drilling, but it has flattened everything i've fired it at!!  And it's easy on the action.  It "chronographs" out of my bbl. at 2,350 fps and it's the load i'll use in this gun for the rest of my life, as i have no reason to change it.  :>)))

  Drilling Man

[kombi1976]

My "all time favorite" load for "mice to moose" in my drilling is,

  Krieghoff drilling 16x16x 8x57jrs (8x57 rimmed .323 bore)
  RWS case, fl. sized
  200 grain Nosler partition bullet
  55.0 of H-205 powder
  Rem. 9-1/2 primer

  This load isn't a max load in my drilling, but it has flattened everything i've fired it at!!  And it's easy on the action.  It "chronographs" out of my bbl. at 2,350 fps and it's the load i'll use in this gun for the rest of my life, as i have no reason to change it.  :>)))

  Drilling Man

Got a pic of your Krieghoff?
I'd love to see it.
Sounds like a blast hut with.  :grin:

[Drilling Man]

Here's the only pict. i can find of my old one, i need to take some more!!

  It's a Krieghoff, and it was made in Oct. of 1935.  It had been a bit neglected when it came to me as it  lived in a barn for many years.  I've had it rebuilt to "better than new" and i've now been hunting with it for more than 20 years.  I've grown rather fond of it, so the next owner will have to wait for my eternal dirt nap to get it!!  :>)))

  Drilling Man

[lowertroll]

My 98  shoots the 200 gr paritions well with the following recipe.
Win brass,  Win LR primer,  45.0 gr IMR 4064  @2400fps.

[kombi1976]

Lowertroll, what sort of range are you using that load for?
Do you hunt moose or elk or are you mainly hunting whitetail with it?
Also, what sort & power scope do you have mounted on it, if you are using a scope?