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Offline Leftoverdj

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« on: December 13, 2004, 07:38:14 PM »
I'd like to know if the extractor design is mechanically operated or just a crippled version of the spring loaded ejector?
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« Reply #1 on: December 13, 2004, 08:08:01 PM »
On my .204 ruger it looks just like the ejector system, only it comes out slowly as the action is opened instead of snapping out.
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« Reply #2 on: December 13, 2004, 08:42:39 PM »
Wouldn't it be great if all you had to do to go from ejector to extractor was buy a couple parts and swap 'em out.  8)
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« Reply #3 on: December 13, 2004, 09:01:22 PM »
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Thats about all you have to do.  You could buy an extra extractor arm and midify it like Perklo showson his web site and change when you wanted to.

I think it would be ideal if you could just turn a screw to make it work one way or the other.  Extractor at the range, and ejector to hunt.
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« Reply #4 on: December 14, 2004, 12:22:06 AM »
When there was a thread posted about what you would like to see changed on the handi I sugested this very thing and seemed no one else was interested. I am glad to see some people are now seeing it differently
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« Reply #5 on: December 14, 2004, 02:56:38 AM »
I saw one at a local shop yesterday.  no snap or fast eject,  just a smooth ease out.

I personally prefer extractors over ejectors.  I hate looking for spent casings.  And if you're good, you'll get as fast on reloading as someone with an ejector.
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« Reply #6 on: December 14, 2004, 04:12:14 AM »
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I'd like to know if the extractor design is mechanically operated or just a crippled version of the spring loaded ejector?


From Quick's description that is exactly what it is, a crippled version. If you suffering from stuck cases this extractor will not push out the cases like a mechanical push rod type extractor, since it is spring loaded.

Since there is a little play in the groove of the cartridge case the ejector has an inertia advantage, by hitting the groove with released energy. Rather than slowly relaxing the compression spring in an extractor.

If you want to switch from ejector to extractor or vise versa you have to drift out the retaining pin and use a slave to keep the spring in place change parts and drive the pin back in.

I think you are best off to decide for one or the other. either one will do the job if your case is not stuck.
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« Reply #7 on: December 14, 2004, 04:53:10 AM »
From the short time I saw my 204 ( 3 more pay days and it mine, I need to put more "coffee money" into the budget get this turnaround time faster :-D  ) it seemed to move first, not much maybe 1/32 then snap out. Mind you this was empty I am not sure how it would behave with a case in.

Quick does this describe how yours works empty?
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« Reply #8 on: December 14, 2004, 05:05:12 AM »
Sounds like all they did was hang around the web site and copied what some of our better tinkerers have already come up with. You guys know who you are and most of the rest of us really appreciate your thoughts, Now if only NEF would listen a little closer. 8)
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« Reply #9 on: December 14, 2004, 10:23:25 AM »
It doesn't move fast at all, just at a certain point in opening, it moves out slightly and stops, the case never lifts off the extractor at all.
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« Reply #10 on: December 14, 2004, 11:56:12 AM »
i remember on the old NEF talk there was someone selling a stiffer spring for the ejector.cant recall who that was.the springs sold for $3.00 or close to that.he claimed no more stuck cases with his springs.

the new system that nef has now is just a made over ejector like what PERKLO and others including myself have done.
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« Reply #11 on: December 14, 2004, 12:40:29 PM »
After doing a better examination of the extractor on the new .204 ruger, the extractor is mechanical, not spring driven, if I try to hold the extractor in the closed position as I open the action, the extractor will over power my attempt to keep it from doing it's thing, extracting the case.  So it is definetly an improvement over the old spring driven ejector IF you prefer an extractor to an ejector. This should be the end of the stuck case problem.
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« Reply #12 on: December 14, 2004, 12:54:11 PM »
Quick.
Can you tell us by which means it is mechanical. How does the extractor get pushed?
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« Reply #13 on: December 14, 2004, 12:59:57 PM »
Don't know without tearing it apart! All I can tell for sure is that I can't keep it from extracting as I could the ejectors, it's not a spring that is causing it to extend, it's stronger than my hand!!! :grin: I tried to hold it down with the tip of a screwdriver so I could put pressure on it while it was still partially closed, didn't work... :wink:
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« Reply #14 on: December 14, 2004, 01:15:52 PM »
Here's a pic comparing the extractor(top) to the ejector.
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« Reply #15 on: December 14, 2004, 01:24:50 PM »
boy they must of worked out something new.i cant see how it works though.on my TC Contender they have a extractor setup without any springs and you can  look and see how it works with no trouble.the NEF setup is a ???
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« Reply #16 on: December 14, 2004, 03:01:46 PM »
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This is quite a simple arrangement, it is gear driven. The serrated wheel rides up and down in a groove of the receiver and drives a gear that will move the toothed extractor back and forth. Sounds good. Much better than a spring loaded extractor.

Can this new extractor be pushed in with a case when the gun is open, or do you push a new case in with the extractor?

The changing to this type of extrator will require totally new parts and some machine work on th receiver and underlug?????
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« Reply #17 on: December 14, 2004, 03:19:49 PM »
Thanks Fred, I thought that if you could see it, you would know if/what could be done to make the ejector a solid extractor. :wink:
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« Reply #18 on: December 14, 2004, 04:05:18 PM »
Quick.
Somebody really put his thinking hat on, to come up with that one. I have no idea if the ejector can be converted to this new extractor. Since it is obvious that internal machining needs to be done on the inside of the underlug. It also looks like the new underlug is wider?

I guess you don't want to take it all apart to show all the parts :lol: or make a drawing. How about taking a picture of the inside of the receiver where that gear engages. I am just dieing to know how it is put together.

My luck I just bought a brand new 223 Ultra today for the 257 Roberts conversion. I might just sell it again and wait for the extractor model.
No rush, I am going to give that 223 a thorough examination without shooting it. I will be able to tell if it has accuracy potential.
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« Reply #19 on: December 14, 2004, 04:41:12 PM »
Quote from: bubba
When there was a thread posted about what you would like to see changed on the handi I sugested this very thing and seemed no one else was interested. I am glad to see some people are now seeing it differently


Bubba, I've always preferred an extractor to an ejector, just havn't said it here I guess. I know it was talked about on the old H&R forum, for sure.

handirifle,
I suppose I need to revisit Perklo, I printed the "trigger job" he put there, but haven't seen the mod for an extractor. Thanks for the heads up, Sir.

Later....
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« Reply #20 on: December 14, 2004, 04:53:47 PM »
Fred, no difference in the width, both are .620". The .204 ruger barrel works fine on the older frame and the ejector barrels work on the new ruger frame, the difference appears to be all in the new style internals of the lug.
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« Reply #21 on: December 15, 2004, 02:56:13 AM »
Thanks Quick, it's very comforting  to know we can continue to swap barrels around from the "old" style to the newer style and visa-versa....<><.... :grin:
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« Reply #22 on: December 15, 2004, 05:00:15 PM »
Here's the link to the Ejector Disassembly instructions I did a few years ago, if that might help...

http://perkloafm.com/pixs/ejector_disass.pdf

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« Reply #23 on: December 15, 2004, 05:03:54 PM »
Thanks, Perklo! :grin: And a big thanks for the trigger help!! 8)
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« Reply #24 on: December 15, 2004, 07:43:23 PM »
As long as it does what it's supposed to do  so I can shoot I'll be happy.
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« Reply #25 on: December 16, 2004, 01:34:07 AM »
:wink:

Just for the record, the original idea and instructions for the Ejector-to-Extractor conversion was the work of one Swede Nelson on the late, great Buffalo Classic Shooting Society bbs...

Here's his original drawing of where to grind...

http://perkloafm.com/pixs/HREXT.gif

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