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Offline maka

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« on: December 16, 2004, 04:58:32 AM »
Hello all

    This is my first post on this site!  Well my question is simple. I am just getting into coyote hunting. I live in southern ontario, Canada about 10
minutes from Niagara Falls. The area is almost excusively Farm country.
I will probably never get a shot over 250-300 yds.

     I have decided against 22-250 and 243 because they are just to noisy
for my area. The gun I will be buying will for sure be an NEF/H&R.

So is it going to be .223 or .204?????
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« Reply #1 on: December 16, 2004, 07:34:45 AM »
On one hand you have got cheap,plentiful and reliable and decent on fur (17 rem being best) on the other you have new, sexy  and fast and maybe easier on fur (jury is out but new bullets are coming out) . 22-250 like trajectory on 223 cost (if you reload).

Since you added the criteria of handi the nod goes to the 204, it seems that there has been a change to the ejector system supposedly it is an extractor (the 204 was the first to come out with it).  Again it's early in the game to see if stuck cases ( a common handi ailment but not un-fixable) are eliminated, but it looks good. It is unlikely there are 223's yet with the new extractor but the could start showing up. There is a thread in the handi forum on how to tell.

Just so you know I have a 204 on lay away and I own one in 243. The smaller bore rifles tend to be easier to get to shoot good.  I don't know your experience with the handi but the folks at the forum can help out. They can be a little temperamental.

If you go 223 the white box winchester 45 gr loads seem to be universally above average out of a handi.

Don't forget the 22 hornet it's a good round where there are neighbors, and still has 150 - 175 yards in it.
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« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2004, 02:43:27 AM »
HI and welcome i dont know about the 204 cal all have done is read about and they said it was a good one i would look at the 223 because it is cheap to shot and alot of factory or you can can reload alot of was for it i had a Rossi 223 single shot for the money it was work it with win varmint pack 45gr HP it would shot a 3/4 group at a 100yrds i like the way the 223 shot so i gave it to my dad and got me a Remington 700 223 i am not a single shot man just because alot of times i have more than one coyote come in i got the 223 because the 22 250 was bad on the grey fox so if i hunt where i know there is alot of fox in a area i will carry my 223 But if i dont i will carry my 22 250 that is my mine coyote gun sorry i couldnt help you on handi rifles VM

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« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2004, 09:08:48 AM »
.223 hands down. Plenty of factory loads available if you don't roll your own, and much easier to find than .204 ammo!
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« Reply #4 on: December 18, 2004, 10:41:00 AM »
The .17 Rem. is a good choice for hide hunter and I think the .204 would be better, but I haven`t had a chance to see how mine shoots yet. The .223 would be bad if you stick with the real lite bullets. The .204 has the best range and the bullets should stay in 90% of the time. The .17 Rem. would be my second choice and I`ve never had an exiy wound in a groundhog tey with mine. The .223 would be my third choice for hide hunting.

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« Reply #5 on: December 18, 2004, 11:05:10 AM »
Well, if he's hunting them for the hide, I agree the .17 Rem loaded with 25grain Non-Mef Berger bullets would be the way to go. For just predator control, the .223 would be a little cheaper.
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« Reply #6 on: December 21, 2004, 11:05:37 AM »
For all around ease of use...the .223...hands down.

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« Reply #7 on: December 21, 2004, 11:14:32 AM »
If you go with the 223 you can gopher load it to 22 mag or 22 hornet levels. See http://www.jamescalhoon.com/