Author Topic: newbie with a question (Read 1197 times)

223 texan · « **on:** December 19, 2004, 01:40:30 PM »

After stumbling on to this site a few weeks ago, I had to get one of those handi rifles to see what all of the fuss was about. I purchased my first handi yesterday. It was a christmas gift from my wife. My first question is about the wood on these guns. I ended up with a sb2 223 with what seems like laminated wood. Did NEF put laminated wood on any gun other than the ultra's? I would also like to know if you can use valve lapping compound in the same barrel break in process as the JB stuff.

Thanks

quickdtoo · « **Reply #1 on:** December 19, 2004, 01:47:19 PM »

Welcome aboard!

As far as I know, only the Ultras have the laminated stock, but anyone can swap the stocks for what they like.

I wouldn't recommend using valve lapping compound, it will remove some serious metal and all you want to do it polish the bore and chamber. JB Bore Compound, flitz or Maas metal polish will do fine job and not harm the barrel.

223 texan · « **Reply #2 on:** December 19, 2004, 02:07:33 PM »

I was kind of afraid the lapping compound would be to agressive but wasn't sure. I bought the rifle new so I know the stock and forend haven't been changed. I haven't seen very many handis other than on the net so I may not have the laminated wood, but it sure looks like it. The more I look at it I think it may be the way the wood was cut and stained a little darker. Thanks for the quick response!

quickdtoo · « **Reply #3 on:** December 19, 2004, 02:12:24 PM »

Here's the cinnamon laminated Ultra stock.

And the wood handi rifle stock..

MSP Ret · « **Reply #4 on:** December 19, 2004, 02:25:15 PM »

Hey quick, your "wood stock" is laminated to, at least it appears laminated in the photo. About a year or so ago H&R/NRF started putting laminated wood stocks on all thier wodden stocked guns, no more plains "pallet wood" stocks with no grain evident. The "plain wood" laminated stocks are all stained a plain brown "wood" color as is yours. This has been a confusing point for some who have described stocks as "wood" but they are in fact laminated. I just traded for a supposedly plain wood set that turned out to be the newer brwon laminated stocks but I am sure the other fellow juast thought they were as he described, plain wood stocks. Its obviously cheaper for them to do it this way....<><.... :grin:

223 texan · « **Reply #5 on:** December 19, 2004, 02:30:40 PM »

Mine looks like the latter of the two. It's still pretty nice lookin. I'm real pleased with the over all fit-n-fill of a realatively inexpensive gun. Can't wait to try it out. Thanks again

JPH45 · « **Reply #6 on:** December 19, 2004, 02:36:45 PM »

I have two Limited Edition rifles , a 44 Mag and a 357 Mag (now a Max) both are straight stocke and have a green/camo laminate stocks. I wouldn't use JB or anything else unless such work was absolutely needed

quickdtoo · « **Reply #7 on:** December 19, 2004, 03:09:47 PM »

Polishing the bore with JB Bore compound will eliminate the need for 100-200 rounds down the bore to reach best accuracy. Lots of shooters use it and it will not harm the bore. There was a multi page thread on the use of JB Bore Compound on AR a while back, everyone recommended it and everyone agreed that it would not cause harm to a barrel even if used frequently. I just looked for it but their search feature is disabled and it's not on the current board or I'd post a link to it. I use Varmint Al's procedure sans the moly bullets. I JB the bore of every new rifle I own before I even shoot em and it works well, my .223 is shooting sub 1/2" groups in less than 80 rounds, that's the most I've shot out of any of the handis, but my all of my .17hmrs have been JBd and they also shoot excellent with less than 200 rounds down range. All it does it smooth out the rifling the same way shooting a lot does and at the same time prevents the build up of copper fouling. Once the bore settles down, I then do a Moly-fusion treatment to maintain the bore and reduce friction.

http://www.varmintal.com/ashot.htm#Break

http://www.shootersolutions.com/molyfusion1.html

MSP, thanks for the FYI.

Mac11700 · « **Reply #8 on:** December 19, 2004, 07:03:51 PM »

I cleaned my 25-06 real good with Outers Bore Cleaner...and then swabbed the barrel with an oversized bore mop with Flitz a bunch of times...hadn't shot it prior to doing that...it was a new Ultra...and it shot great...

http://www.graybeardoutdoors.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=48130

Mac

ONE HOLE 4570 · « **Reply #9 on:** December 20, 2004, 01:53:27 AM »

Just bought my son a 7-08 youth & it came with a laminate & I use JB's on all my new & old guns to clean the bore, I have had no prob yet.
Enjoy your new handi

lik2hunt · « **Reply #10 on:** December 20, 2004, 02:13:36 AM »

You hvae to be careful which JB's you use. One is the "Bore Bright" and is non-abrasive, and the other is "Bore Cleaning Compound" I think, and is abrasive. I just use the Flitz and have had great results.

http://www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/Store/ProductDetail.aspx?p=1161&title=J-B+BORE+BRIGHT

http://www.airgunexpress.com/Accessories/Brownells/brownellj-bborecleaner208-03-6502.htm

Badnews Bob · « **Reply #11 on:** December 20, 2004, 05:12:58 AM »

I would try shooting it first I've never had to polish any of my handis to get them to shoot. I'm not saying don't do it, Just maybe shoot it first and see what happens. I am by no means an expert thou just my 2cents.

borg1 · « **Reply #12 on:** December 20, 2004, 10:23:22 AM »

i agree with like2hunt, JB is a good bore polisher. there are others out there and as long as they're non-embedding i don't see the problem. I would use a paste designed to polish a gun's bore though. i use USP and it works great!

quickdtoo · « **Reply #13 on:** December 20, 2004, 10:40:07 AM »

This is the stuff I use, have also used the USP.

http://www.snipercountrypx.com/store/comersus_viewItem.asp?idproduct=179

http://www.rifleshootermag.com/shooting_tips/keep_clean_accuracy/index1.html

borg1 · « **Reply #14 on:** December 20, 2004, 10:49:24 AM »

i bought that in the absence of JB's at the local g'smiths. i am half way through the tube, and will promptly purchase jb next go around.

Speaking of cleaning supplies... i purchased Montana extreme's 50BMG cleaning solution. it is made from ammonia oil and they guarantee the best clean and that it is very safe to use (aside from the awful smell, that is). I purchased some of their bore conditioner as well. Anyone using either? if so what are results?

quickdtoo · « **Reply #15 on:** December 20, 2004, 11:19:20 AM »

I haven't used any of the Montana Extreme products yet, but have read that the Coppermelt is a pretty good product. I have been using WipeOut for a while and find it to be the best product I've ever used for just cleaning a fouled bore. Lots of shooters highly recommend it at AR ,RFC and Predatormasters.

http://www.coppermelt.com/extreme_cm/extreme_cm.html

http://www.eabco.com/WipeOut.htm

v8r · « **Reply #16 on:** December 20, 2004, 02:02:56 PM »

The new plain wood stocks are laminated,If you look there is a tag that is attached to the new rifle's trigger guard that says laminated wood.The tag is blue and white,and I have seen them on the newer rifles.Has anyone refinished one of these stocks?What do they look like when you get done? :grin:

223 texan · « **Reply #17 on:** December 20, 2004, 02:34:56 PM »

Thanks for all the great info. I'll probably go ahead and try the JB method and clean the whole gun up real good. I got the white box of Winchester 45 HP when I bought the gun. So after Christmas I'll give it a try.

Donaldo · « **Reply #18 on:** December 20, 2004, 04:56:11 PM »

Be sure and clean the action good too. Clean the area around the latch lug, make sure there is not a bunch of crud and what not in that area. You can use brake cleaner or carb cleaner but keep it off the wood, it will ruin the finish. Welcome to the world of handiholics.