Author Topic: latest on martys custom guns (Read 1219 times)

shaner · « **on:** August 11, 2004, 12:36:21 AM »

well i never got any money back , so i called the local police in tenn. an they told me they have a whole list of people wanting their guns back , money back u name it . police chief down there told me to file a complaint wit hthem an hes taking the whole pile of over 35 complaints that have been filed to him to the attorny general office , as of last night tuesday ol marty has skipped town on the ATF, police chief said he had wind that he ran for indiana. but wasnt sure of it , indiana >>> who knows but as to seenin my money forthe barrel back , not as of yet doubt we do , but hey got to try ,

Deadeye47 · « **Reply #1 on:** August 11, 2004, 03:02:05 AM »

Shaner...that just sucks...That outfit sure started off like a boon for the NEF shooters...too bad it turned out rotten. I feel for ya and all the other trusting people that sent this assclown their hard earned money ....just a shame

Too bad he didn't follow Quickdtoos sig line! Makes ya want to get together a possey! :x

Wlscott · « **Reply #2 on:** August 11, 2004, 03:47:03 AM »

MAN, that really blows.

I hope they catch him, and string him up. Sorry to hear about your money Shaner.

handirifle · « **Reply #3 on:** August 11, 2004, 04:51:00 AM »

Too bad all round. I almost got suckered into that one myself. Guys like that give the ATF fuel to try to show how bad gun dealers are.

Next we'll find out he was supplying arms to terrorists. Seriously, though it does give anti's fuel for their fires when guys like that are in business.

Glad the ATF got onto him before he got a lot of peoples money. imagine if one of our own hadn't gone to visit him, we might have had a whole different opinion of his shop.

Mac11700 · « **Reply #4 on:** August 11, 2004, 07:36:15 AM »

Yep....we always have to be on-gaurd against these types...

Mac

P.S. I found a old thread on this...thought I would pass it on to you

http://www.graybeardoutdoors.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=27533&highlight=marts

Mac

shaner · « **Reply #5 on:** August 12, 2004, 01:25:59 AM »

well hell of it is i bought two barrels off him before all this , he fitted them and everything??? they work dandy , so i figured heck , twice it worked , iam just glad i didnt send a reciever this time

RussB · « **Reply #6 on:** August 12, 2004, 10:37:21 AM »

Folks, I hate to read stories such as this. My heart goes out to those guys who have been taken in by this. I hope each and every one of you recover what has been lost....plus some!
Respectfully, Russ

Bis · « **Reply #7 on:** August 12, 2004, 02:27:49 PM »

I hate to ask dumb questions, but is this the same guy that promised to do all kinds of neat stuff to your Handi for next to nothing on the old H&R forum ( I have been away from things for awhile)?

Mitch in MI · « **Reply #8 on:** August 12, 2004, 03:52:11 PM »

Quote from: Bis

I hate to ask dumb questions, but is this the same guy that promised to do all kinds of neat stuff to your Handi for next to nothing on the old H&R forum ( I have been away from things for awhile)?

I remember two:
There was Marty, who would buy new guns wholesale, part them out and sell us the barrels (usually rechambered, like .17hmr to .17 Rem). It seems the BATFE caught him in a license violation and started grabbing guns (probably some belonging to customers) and he went into hiding.

Then there was the David White impersonator, who at one time offered to rechamber a gun for free to prove himself. (what was his name, deersniper007 or something?)

Later, David White himself came on the H&R forum, and everybody was leery of him, because they thought the imposter was him. He's got his own forum on Mike Bellm's web site.

Mitch.
edit: Judging by the asterisks, I'd say that the surname of one of the better known T/C customizers is a dirty word here.

Bis · « **Reply #9 on:** August 12, 2004, 05:45:20 PM »

Could there have been a third. It seems that this guy could supply you actions and/or barrels a lot cheaper than H&R, and would re-chamber your rifle to just about any thing you wanted. I don't remember anything about the .17's. He had a great web site with pic's of his "work". All was great until some one on the forum went to his shop and did not see all the equipment that he claimed to have and then things got a little ugly on the forum with people asking all kinds of questions and making allegations about this guys authenticity.
It makes you want to just deal with major manufactures which is to bad for the poor guy that is doing an honest job and trying to get started.
I bet these guys are either related to or live near Monte and his 275 pound wife and shoot "squil" with their 30/06 :-) .

handirifle · « **Reply #10 on:** August 12, 2004, 08:37:38 PM »

Just stick to people that have done work for others in the past and have been around awhile.

whitedogone · « **Reply #11 on:** August 14, 2004, 01:06:45 PM »

Geeeeeeezzzzzzz......... I really feel bad. I was the person that posted a link to Marts site on the old H&R site. As I remember, there was a lot of talk about this guy on there. Some folks even went as far as to travel some distance to check him out. Sorry for all that I may have done. I didn't know anything about him. I just thought he was offering some stuff that nobody was for our NEfs. Hope everything works out. I guess Jeff was right in warning everybody to steer clear of this guy. :cry:

WDO

oneredbarn · « **Reply #12 on:** August 14, 2004, 02:48:28 PM »

If he ran to Indiana we could keep a look out for him if we had some pic's. southern Indiana here :grin:

Mac11700 · « **Reply #13 on:** August 14, 2004, 02:50:29 PM »

WDO:

Nothing for you to feel bad about Bro...you didn't know this guy and just passed along a heads up for someone saying they could do a-lot of things for our Handi's at a good price...heck...I even drove down there to check him out and reported back his lack of equipment and what his excuses where..that's when the guy starts his back peddeling and all and wouldn't respond to the questions asked to him.......doesn't take a rocket sceintist to figure out when someone is B.S'ing and it was all there in the original thread in black and white for everyone to see,on the old forum...and on a thread on this forum as well...

Mac

Bis · « **Reply #14 on:** August 14, 2004, 03:00:45 PM »

Whitedogone- I would not worry about it, you were just offering info on what seemed like some good stuff at a good price, how could you tell the guy was a flake. If no body posted info about good deals, there would a lot less to talk about.

JPH45 · « **Reply #15 on:** August 14, 2004, 04:26:15 PM »

Mitch is right, there were three, Marty, deersniper007 and David W. I wondered back then if deersniper007 and either of the other 2 were one and the same. I would also be somewhat leary about what David W. says he can do. Claims he chambers a 30 something or the other that is actually a shortened 308 case and claims he is getting 3000 fps from 150 grain bullets in 16" barrels :shock: :shock: :shock: The only way i know to do that from the case he describes is to run pressures in the 70,000+ range. Not I says this 'ol white boy.......

WDO don't fret a bit. There were a lot of whacky things put forward on that site, the shenannigans involving these three are but the broth of the stew. I hate it that folks are missing money and possibly firearms, it just goes to show that if there is a way to misuse or abuse anything (the web in this instance), there are people who will rise to the occasion. Proof once again of that Russian proverb, "Trust, but Verify".

Mitch in MI · « **Reply #16 on:** August 15, 2004, 01:59:25 AM »

Quote from: JPH45

I would also be somewhat leary about what David W. says he can do. Claims he chambers a 30 something or the other that is actually a shortened 308 case and claims he is getting 3000 fps from 150 grain bullets in 16" barrels

I did some looking this AM and couldn't find that claim. I did see that he's working with an improved 308/444/40deg with nearly 30/06 case volume that he calls the 308 Alpo, but I couldn't find any full pressure velocity claims for it. I think he said his forming loads were hitting 2800fps with 155gr.

(edit)
I just found the following velocity claim made by David for the 308 White Express, which is based on the 9.3x74R.

"My 308 WHITE EXPRESS round from 26" barrels, has produced the following velocities from a couple of diffrent barrels...

125 gr. Ballistis Tip - 3,480 fps.

150 gr. Sierra B.T.-S.P. - 3,311 fps.

165 gr. Sierra B.T.-H.P. Game King - 3,262 fps.

180 gr. SPEER Grand Slam - 3,018 fps."

(seems reasonable for a larger than 30/06 case and 26" barrel, but this chamber would seem pointless in a 16")
Mitch

Mac11700 · « **Reply #17 on:** August 15, 2004, 03:38:38 AM »

Davids chambering of a Triad of cartridges he chambers for is based on the 444 case...you use a 308 die to neck sizeand a 444 die when full lenght sizing...I only read of 1 person doing this on the old forum and it didn't work out,accuracy wise or velocity wise...he then put the gun up for sale...I believe that persons handle was Patrick...he didn't have David do the work though...he works off a site owned run by a guy who's first name Mike B***** and this guy put's out a news letter for T-C work...there was also talk from someone about barrel stubbing...I can't remember if this was the same person or not...this one seemed rather odd and supposedly costed 2 to3 times as much as the Handi's original price...this one died on the vine rather quickly.....

Mac

foycustoms · « **Reply #18 on:** January 01, 2005, 07:28:13 AM »

On the subject of David White, i haven't had a chance to go and meet him. Although i'm going to real soon. His place is only about 15 minutes from here. But, i have heard nothing but good things about him. I can't wait to go meet him and have him do some work for me. I just don't want someone to get a bad rap because a fellow gunsmith got over on some folks. That's All.

Mac11700 · « **Reply #19 on:** January 01, 2005, 07:54:14 AM »

Well...let us know how it works out...and post some pics of anywork done...

Mac