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Offline armycar01

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« on: November 27, 2004, 06:04:29 PM »
I am looking into buying a Mauser off a buddy of mine, and I was just checking on some ammo before I buy it. On cheaperthandirt.com, there is (what seems to me) a pretty good deal on 8mm Mauser ammo. They are Turkish, berdan primed, and come as 14 stripper clips, 5rds per clip, a total of 70 per bandolier. All this is gonna put me back $4.29 a box, plus shipping,etc. This will be my first milsurp., so, I was wondering if any of yall would be kind enough to help me out. Has anyone had any experience with this ammo? Are they fairly reliable (how many duds)? Is it worth $4 just to be shooting, or is that wasting my money? Are they very accurate?

I'm not to worried about being awfully accurate, I'll buy some good ammo for that. I am just looking for some cheap ammo to go out shooting and have a good, affordable time.

Thanks for any help you can give me on this subject, it is greatly appreciated.

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« Reply #1 on: November 28, 2004, 12:49:55 AM »
The Turkish ammo is somewhat hotter than the European 8mm, and far hotter than US made 8mm.  It's okay as 'blasting ammo', and a good Mauser rifle has no problem with the power.  But, my experience has been that it tends to shoot higher and isn't as accurate as the Yugo or other European ammo.  A good deal just for plinking though.  Being berdan-primed, of course cleaning the corrosive salts out is a must!

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« Reply #2 on: November 28, 2004, 01:27:43 AM »
I agree with Bigdog, but there is a need to make something clear. Just beacuse it's Berdan primed does not make it corrosive. However in this case the Turk ammo is corrosive and proper cleaning is a must.
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« Reply #3 on: November 28, 2004, 05:05:45 AM »
Ron Reed,
Perhaps it would be good at this time to explain in detail how to clean a milsurp after using corrosive primers.  Since most of us have never used the stuff, what do you use to neutralize the mercuric componds left behind?
I heard Windex is a good immediate cleaner..............

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« Reply #4 on: November 28, 2004, 05:26:37 AM »
Savage,
Thank you for the reminder.
Okay, so a little history and technical information:
Corrosive primers so called due to the residue they leave in the bore and brass from detonation. Corrosive primers are those made with one of the three or a mixture of Lead Azide, Lead Styphnate, and/or Mercury Fulminate (the last being very rare and found on VERY old ammunition) In reality they are not directly corrosive, but more hydroscopic. Hydroscopic is the ability or action of attracting and absorbing water. So what happens is the salts from corrosive primers line the bore and attracts water, thus causing oxidation (rust).

You'll need to clean after shooting corrosive ammo, DO NOT leave it over night, you will find rust beginning to for in as little as 8 hours epically in humid environments.
So for cleaning, the very best way is to completely strip the rifle down and wash it in boiling temp water with a mild detergent (Dove or Ivory dishwashing liquid are both great). You don't need to boil the parts, just boil the water, mix in some soap and wash away. This is really a must if you are using any type of automatic, and highly suggested for at least the bolt on the bolt action types. After washing, let dry (hence the boiling water, it will dry quite quickly) and lightly oil.
In lieu of the water, Windex WITH ammonia works well for short term cleaning, I'm also told that the old type of Hoppes #9 will work.
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« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2004, 09:02:24 AM »
Turk ammunition is about all I shoot.It is pretty accurate,dependable and relatively inexpensive.Either squirt some Windex or a 50/50 mixture of household ammonia and water down the barrel after shooting to wash out the corrosive salts.When you get home clean in a normal fashion.
 I usually buy it by the 1400 round case.A case usually runs about $65.$4 plus change per bandolier  is not a bad price.
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« Reply #6 on: November 29, 2004, 03:13:33 AM »
Go to about any army navy surplus store and get some
GI bore cleaner. Works great.
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« Reply #7 on: November 29, 2004, 09:48:27 AM »
S.Sumner is right with using the "G.I. Rifle Bore Clearner" cleaning the bores and "G.I. Weapons Oil"  for wiping down the outside and bores thats all i use and i buy it from Colemans Surplus he has the best prices on it I've seen so far.  I've used this for many years with no problems yet I just flush the bores with wet patches till it clean then oil it up.                                                                      BigBill

BTW;  Right now is the time to buy 8mm ammo since supplies are starting to run low while there are some great deals still out there on it.  I'm really not sure if supplies are running out or there is an influx in the importing of new stuff  like there was back in the late 70's/early 80's when it ran out too back then.  I'm hoping we see a newer boat load imported of 8mm ammo soon!!!!!!  But in the meantime I would stock up on it just incase it is running out.  8mm surplus ammo can be found at "cheaper than dirt", "southern ohio gun",  "sportsmans guide" and "century arms" if you can't find any.

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« Reply #8 on: November 29, 2004, 04:23:37 PM »
I have a 1939 VZ-24 and shoot turkish ammo in it.  Have significant number of non-fire duds and have had a few split case mouths in 1000 rounds or so.  Clean it with both Windex and Hoppes No.9 same night if shot that day.
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« Reply #9 on: November 30, 2004, 01:08:47 AM »
Checkout these folks..  www.ammunitionstore.com   Great prices!!
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« Reply #10 on: November 30, 2004, 09:05:28 AM »
I have a Yugo 8 MM Mauser that shoots well, this is what I have found.  I have tried the Ecuadorian or Venezuelan ammo from South America, lots of duds and hang fires, not worth it unless almost free, price wise.  The older Yugo ammo from the 1950's was ok in accuracy, but many primer ring bursts to the point that you could get a burn ring on the bolt face if you kept it up, reliable otherwise, had 2 boxes, won't buy anymore of it.

Tried German army late WW 2 war surplus, a few sticky bolt problems as it is lacquer coated steel cased, its ok otherwise.  Italian made Egyptian contract, accuracy was so-so, not bad.  

The Turkish ammo is what I have been using mostly, very accurate in my rifle, stiff kick and strong muzzle blast.  The year 1931 had numerous primer bursts real bad.  The 1947 stuff is the worst of them all in vintage batches.  Anywhere from 50% to 60% cracked necks in some batches, about 25% cracked necks in other batches after firing.  I have heard of some shooters finding the 1947 lots to have the bullets loose in the cartridge case before even shooting it, mine were tight, but that brass is so brittle.  Other years of Turkish ammo is better, but lots of shooters have snapped it up, might be stuck with the 1947 stuff at this time, check the year stamped on the cartridge case.  All the Turkish ammo I have used (490 rounds) have been 100% sure fire, and cleanly stored.  The Turkish ammo uses cupro-nickel jacketing (silver colored), harder than copper, but does not fowl the barrel as much.  Hope to try the newer Yugo surplus from the 1970's and 80's at the next gun show, heard it is good.  Also the Rumanian, but I have never seen any of that stuff, supposedly it was snapped up in a hurry.

Hoping that Wolf will make some 8 MM mauser ammo, they are delaying due to the fact that there is so much cheap surplus ammo still available, but maybe in 3-5 years.  Wolf shoots well in my 2 Russian Mosin Nagantsand non-corrosive.  As usual with any surplus ammo, use black powder cleaner to clean out the salt from the barrel, then Hoppe #9 and let sit overnight to soak to loosen the copper and fowling, with the rifle in a horizontal position, then clean just like regular, the next day.

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« Reply #11 on: December 01, 2004, 03:00:26 AM »
I've olny had a few misfires but most of them went n the second strike. (hard primers)  I'm hoping that FNM jumps on the band wagon too in making 8mm for us because they seem to be cheaper plus its great reloading brass too.                                             BigBill

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« Reply #12 on: December 01, 2004, 03:08:10 AM »
Hay Guys:  Since I started shooting the 8mm I have found that the Portugese surplus with a 196 gn bullet and the new production S&B also with the 196 gn, ball or softnose, is both the most accurate, most consistent and the hardest hitting of all the 8mm ammo I have used.  The S&B is reloadable, too.  I haven't checked in a while but I think the Portugese may also be reloadable, but maybe not - hafta look.  Just my 2 cents worth here.  Mikey.

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« Reply #13 on: December 06, 2004, 03:13:22 PM »
I've had good luck with the Turk ammo too.  I've shot Yugo and S&B and truthfully the Turk has been about a good accuracywise.  I've had a couple of duds but for the most part it has been good stuff to shoot.  You mentioned you wanted it primarily for plink'.  You won't find anything better for that application, IMHO.  Get it while it is still cheap.

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« Reply #14 on: December 27, 2004, 11:27:58 AM »
I got some of the 1941 turk ammo from cheaper than dirt. Out of about 20 rds. I fired, 2 actually went off.

 Has anybody had any experience with the late 1950's Ecuador 8mm's (196gr. FMJ) out of sportmans guide (shooter's magazine)? It looks like a good deal if any of 'em work.

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« Reply #15 on: December 28, 2004, 02:00:22 AM »
I have shot several hundred rounds of turk in my M-48 yugos with almost no misfires.  It kicks hard, shoots with decent accuracy.  Great to practice and blast with.  Romanian is also nice, as is Greek.  Have not tried the Yugo yet but I hear many good things about it.  But the turk is the cheapest so I would definitely try a few bandos of it!

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« Reply #16 on: January 15, 2005, 06:24:45 PM »
My turkish marked 98/22 likes this turkish ammo.  Plus it just kinda seems appropriate....

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« Reply #17 on: January 15, 2005, 08:16:44 PM »
I reload. Did the research on the gun. 1940 M98, very strong action, loading Hornady 150gr Spire points, WW-760 powder. Gun consitantly shoots 1" MOA, have killed several white tail with it out to about 250yds.
VERY effective.