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Offline AZ223

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« on: January 08, 2005, 07:37:10 PM »
I'm curious as to how most of you feel about carrying the NEF or any other single-shot rifles in dangerous game country, where pulling off repeat shots may be necessary? I'm not talking African game, but the bigger, meaner species in North America like big bear & big hogs. I can repeat shots in my .223 Ultra pretty fast, using a shellholder on the stock, but there's not much recoil to worry about, plus the critters I'm shooting with it always run the other way.

I don't know that I'll be venturing to Alaska any time soon, but I'm curious as to your opinions on the matter. That, and being a bona-fide Handi-Holic, I'm going to NEED another Handi in either .30-06 or 45-70, and will therefore need to go after something big with it...  :grin:
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« Reply #1 on: January 08, 2005, 07:41:55 PM »
I don't think I would go bear hunting with my Handi...now my Marlin 1895GS..loaded up...different story...but if you got a 1/2 ton critter charging you with all intent of eating you...a single shot...nope...I don't think I'd chance it...not unless I was hunting with someone who had a gun suitable for the task and was close by..
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« Reply #2 on: January 08, 2005, 08:02:00 PM »
I think if I were to do that, I'd want a backup hunter as do archers when taking DG. In that kind of country, hunting alone is somewhat foolish, anyway.....Then there's always the .500 S&W handgun as a good backup just in case things don't go as planned! :eek:
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« Reply #3 on: January 08, 2005, 08:08:56 PM »
I would'nt hesitate taking a 45/70 or the new .500 S&W.  The Energy Levels on the .500 are enough to slow down anything.  And out of a 22" Barrel.  I believe your going to see Velocities reaching 2200+ FPS.  With Energy Levels exceeding 3400 Pounds from the muzzle. Using a 325 Grain Barnes XPB.

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« Reply #4 on: January 08, 2005, 08:21:21 PM »
Not likely, the S&W case is already loaded to the max and that is for a short barrel, in a handi barrel it will be good to get handgun velocities out of it. Once the powder has burned up in the first 10" of the rifle barrel, the rest of the travel down the bore is just drag on the bullet. The .45-70 or .50 Alaskan would be a much better choice in a rifle. There's a previous thread on the subject Here

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« Reply #5 on: January 08, 2005, 10:35:37 PM »
I carry a single shot during the winter when the bears are in hibernation.  During the summer when the grizzlies are out I carry a Pump, Simi-auto, or Bolt gun.  I prefer the Pump.  All the years I've been hunting I've only needed follow-up shots twice, and both times a Handi would have done the job.
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« Reply #6 on: January 09, 2005, 01:57:39 AM »
A single shot for Dangerous game has to multiply the pucker and fumble factors. I found during deer season that I have been reloading after taking a shot, and doing it pretty darn quick from a stock mounted catridge carrier. The ejector is a huge help. The thing is, that deer wasn't charging me at 40 MPH with it's teeth bared, claws glistening, and 1000 pounds of body weight. While I'd love to think I could do it, I'd feel a lot better with a backup shooter.
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« Reply #7 on: January 09, 2005, 05:56:35 AM »
If I was out deliberately hunting the big stuff in fairly open cover, then I wouldn't hesitate to use my 45/70.  A goodly amount of large, mean stuff is killed each year by those using Ruger #1's and the like; and I can reload my handi a lot quicker than I can my Ruger.  Nose to nose in the alder's/willow's; which means(for me) an accidental encounter while I'm doing something else, I'd surely like something else with a repeat  shot or two, or three.  Not that the 45/70 wouldn't do it(doesn't matter what it's launched from), just it would most likely be a "shoot until it ain't looking interested in me anymore" kind of situation.

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« Reply #8 on: January 09, 2005, 06:31:01 AM »
Thanks for the replies; you guys have a lot more experience than I do at this, and I appreciate the input. I think it boils down to how you organize a hunt, as well of your weapon of choice. I wouldn't deliberately go after grizzly or brownies alone, regardless of what I'm carrying; I think you need a back-up hunter with you, or two or three!  :shock: In a case like that, I'd more likely go on a locally guided hunt, given my level of experience.
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« Reply #10 on: January 09, 2005, 09:00:27 AM »
Hunting dangerous game, no.

Insurance in dangerous game country, yes.

Different set of needs and risks. Years back I had a sister living in a cabin outside Anchorage. She borrowed a single shot Stevens 12 gauge because she occasionally encountered a bear on the path to the outhouse. That was plenty of gun for her because the likelihood of her needing to shoot a bear was slim and if she had to do it, it was gonna be at powder burn range.  I coulda given her a real DGR, a custom .45-70 on a Siamese Mauser action, but she figgered that was overkill for a simple trip to the john.

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« Reply #11 on: January 09, 2005, 11:31:29 AM »
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Not likely, the S&W case is already loaded to the max and that is for a short barrel, in a handi barrel it will be good to get handgun velocities out of it. Once the powder has burned up in the first 10" of the rifle barrel, the rest of the travel down the bore is just drag on the bullet. The .45-70 or .50 Alaskan would be a much better choice in a rifle.
While the .45-70 is a fine cartridge, loaded to  max velocities in a Handi is not what any normal shooter would do.  As someone who has shot brown bear with a .45-70, and seen them shot with about everything, IMO the larger the bullet diameter the better for a defensive use.  This is the thread topic afterall, not which is the best hunting cartridge.

I'm not certain just where the idea that the .500 bullet will slow down in a rifle barrel comes from, it is certainly not backed up by fact.  Just because all the powder is burned up in the first 10" (if that is even true) hardly means that the bullet will slow down!  As long as the gas velocity is higher than the bullet's, the bullet will continue to accelerate. Neither of us know what powder the factory loads in the .500, yet you assume it is a fast one.  Okay....examples:

Sierra Edition V data for the .45 LC.
300-grain bullet, 15.8/15.9 grains of BlueDot
10" barrel = 1100 fps
16" barrel = 1450 fps
That's a nice 350 fps gain, or almost 600 fpe.  Is BueDot too slow?

240-grain bullet, 11.5/11.6 grains of Unique
10" barrel = 1150 fps
16" barrel = 1350 fps
That's still a 200 fps gain, rather worthwhile IMO.  We can expect the velocity to continue to increase as the barrel gets longer even with the low pressure .45LC; in the much higher-pressured .500 S&W the gas energy is higher still.  Try the same data exercise with the higher pressured .44 Magnum and see.  Eventually there would be a point of velocity drop, but that would be a very long tube not suited to the defensive role of this thread.

BTW I've fired a .50 Alaskan (years ago at Fuller's old Coopers Landing shop), and it was brutal in an 8.5 lb M1886 - I can only imagine what it would be in a light little Handi; there's not much metal left once the barrel is bored to .500" so the gun weight is pretty low.  The .500 max-loaded with suitable cast bullets would provide all the recoil most defensive shooters would find tolerable along with ample stopping power.  Flinching in a defensive situation could be fatal...

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« Reply #12 on: January 09, 2005, 11:54:55 AM »
Yes, I would hunt dangerous game with a single shot.  Now having said that, I would have some-one else standing by as a back up, that is only comon scense  :lol:

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« Reply #13 on: January 09, 2005, 05:00:02 PM »
Montanan,
I got your check.  You know the one I told you to FORGET about?

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« Reply #14 on: January 09, 2005, 05:46:24 PM »
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Montanan,
I got your check.  You know the one I told you to FORGET about?

Ha, thanks, and hope all is going better for you.


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