Author Topic: Bullet Swaging or Casting...... (Read 439 times)

Cottonwood · « **on:** January 09, 2005, 11:57:21 AM »

Alright guys

I've been checking into this and it looks fun, and well getting the perfect bullet is what we are all after. Swaging is the most precise method of making a bullet. It is extremely fast, easy to learn, and has many additional advantages over casting.

Nice read at Corbins Bullet Swaging Systems I might be able to get a swaging set up this year, it would be nice..... very nice.

And for those that are not into swaging yourself but want to purchase your swaged bullets On Target Swaging has ready made knurled and paper patched bullets (un-patched). I have found discussions about knurled bullets holding more lube than those with lube grooves etc. On the MSN board I saw Lead Pots pics of his knurled bullets, and paper patched ones. I got another pic of another hunters bison hunt where he took a real nice bison with a paper patched bullet using his 45-70.

I have one pic of myself with a doe that was taken with a 530-gr paper patch 45-90 thanks to my mentor (he doesn't know it though) who I still blame for getting me into paper patching..... none other than Making, Loading, and Shooting Paper Patched Bullets Brent Danielson who wrote the book on paper patching and its all his fault.

I'm looking forward to better loads with either of these two bullets after I get my original 76 action Remington Rolling Block home.

Maybe momma would let me set up a swaging station in the house where it is warmer..... since casting is out of the question indoors.

You all have a great day

Woodbutcher · « **Reply #1 on:** January 09, 2005, 12:31:59 PM »

Montanan:
That Rolly Block.... Oh my!
Swaging, priceless! Gettin started,.....need a little more time.
I like what Mr. Matthews said about PP soft lead bullets for hunting, they're the best. Sensible direction for a 45/70.
The info for the sources to purchase swaged bullets was needed. Thank you! Seems like a good idea to buy some bullets to see what the rifle likes and then get the mold/dies for what works.
Woodbutcher

Deadeye47 · « **Reply #2 on:** January 10, 2005, 05:00:04 AM »

:eek: That is one nice lookin rifle Montanan!!! Happy New Year huh!!! :mrgreen:

Cottonwood · « **Reply #3 on:** January 10, 2005, 05:11:35 AM »

Thanks guys.. it is a very nice original 76 action, and ah is a whole bunch less than a copy Sharps. I mean C. Sharps and Shiloh Sharps and Lone Star are made in the good ol USA, but even those are copies of the original rifles.

When I am able to go and pick my rifle up, weather is NOT permitting right now, and I don't need to have it shipped. But after I get it and hold it, it will be like holding history in my hands.

I know all you know, that Remington Arms, "America's Oldest Gun Maker"

Haywire Haywood · « **Reply #4 on:** January 10, 2005, 05:59:44 AM »

Isn't swaging equipment a lot more expensive than casting?

Ian

Cottonwood · « **Reply #5 on:** January 10, 2005, 07:57:23 AM »

Quote from: Haywire Haywood

Isn't swaging equipment a lot more expensive than casting?

Ian

Ian you can read about this on those links I posted with RCE, OTS and Corbins.

If you look at the basic press with dies, your getting something that will last many, many years. Your swaging dies can go up or down, something you can not do with a bullet mould.

Unless you cast your own bullets or swage them, any bullets that a person buys from a company will find imperfections that will make them less than the perfect bullet.

Having spent many hours casting my own bullets, I get tired of the melting pot, fumes etc that go along with casting bullets... yes there is satisfaction in makin your own.. but like myself and the long range shooting I like to do with black powder. Have a change of casting 10 seconds one way or the other and you can change the softness or hardness of a bullet produced. This is not good when your looking for "Consistancy" in your bullets softness.

The differance in how ones bullet performs with smokeless or black powder is a differance in the way they are cast.

Read the following THE 8-PHASE CASTING CYCLE - Part 1 and THE 8-PHASE CASTING CYCLE - Part 2

The author of the write ups part 1 and 2 shoot long range BPCR and begin where alot of shooters leave off.

Sure the initial cost of getting set up swaging bullets, cost more than getting set up with a Lee Mould or even the more costly moulds by Steve Brooks or Paul Jones. Swaging is not for everyone, just as casting is not for everyone. Those of use that do our bullets either way find a peace and solace in what we do. Then there are others that for what ever the reason, just go to the shelf and get the box of ready made bullets for makin their reloads with.

Then there are others that just plain like shooting factory loads :eek:

I hope this helps

You all have a good day