Author Topic: Crazy hunter story already getting slanted (Read 2470 times)

ShadowMover · « **Reply #30 on:** January 06, 2005, 04:13:29 PM »

Loader 3009 You have a nice book list there. Any chance of getting a copy of some of the digital information? I'll be looking for these titles.

The truth must be repeated again and again because error is constantly being preached around us," Goethe told a friend in 1828. "And not by isolated individuals, but by the majority! In the newspapers and encyclopedias, in the schools and universities, everywhere error is dominant, securely and comfortably ensconced in public opinion which is on its side."
"Infamy" by John Toland page 257

williamlayton · « **Reply #31 on:** January 07, 2005, 01:24:37 AM »

Neve doubted the backup. You are fortunate and have done well in your presentation (thumbnail, I realize) and study. I have enjoyed and benefitted.
Blessings

Loader 3009 · « **Reply #32 on:** January 07, 2005, 02:07:14 AM »

Fellers, these books are all but unavailable. They are traded and loaned among the few that are really interest in these things.

There is a publishing company in Georgia that reprints some historical books. Their name excapes me at the time. I don't know if they have anything on this subject or not..... but they do have some GREAT books. I have ordered from them before and will try to find their website for you. If I find it, I will start a thread here, so you want miss it. I used it for my research on Abraham Lincoln's real birth place and his illegitimacy.

lostone1413 · « **Reply #33 on:** January 07, 2005, 03:38:11 AM »

I was alway a believer that the ten lost tribes are the English speaking people of Northern Europe and the British Isles. In a word is that what your research shows?

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williamlayton · « **Reply #34 on:** January 07, 2005, 03:40:16 AM »

The Hen and I are planning a trip to Scotland next year ('06) Lord willing and I will us the list to see what I can find. I doubt if they still are available but maybe I can find a few substitutes.
A few of them perked my thoughts from the titles supplied.
Thanx and
Blessings
PS
The early Scottish church has been kinda an interest too me.

Loader 3009 · « **Reply #35 on:** January 07, 2005, 04:24:33 AM »

Quote from: lostone1413

I was alway a believer that the ten lost tribes are the English speaking people of Northern Europe and the British Isles. In a word is that what your research shows???

In a word? Lostone, you don't know me that well, do you? :grin: I can;t even say "No" in one word.

The "Ten Lost Tribes" also include Australia (Sinim) along with other British posessions and protectorates, both past and present. Britain and America are known primarily, in prophecy, as Ephraim and Manasseh, Joseph, Rachel, and Israel. I am putting together a post (in my mind) to prove this, although it has been proved by others, many times over. The Bible plainly states this to those who will see it. The identity of these nations is the KEY to understanding the Bible.

Most churches and religious educators ignore the Old Testament teachings. You cannot understand the New Testament without a good understanding of the Old. Today's "preachers" prefer to teach "about" Jesus rather than the message that He brought. The shocking truth is, they don't even know Who Jesus was/is. The First Horseman rides.

williamlayton · « **Reply #36 on:** January 07, 2005, 05:58:23 AM »

May disagree here. Christ Jesus is who he said he was--God. Anything more than that, in reference to phrophecy, is at best speculation and is fraught with guessing.
I will not discuss phrophecy or my beliefs. John and Paul were both in the dark as to ACTUAL events or end times, our Lord, Christ Jesus only revealed a shadow of things to come and none of the specifics.
That said, it is up too the individual to determine if the Lord would honor his attempts.
Blessings

Loader 3009 · « **Reply #37 on:** January 07, 2005, 07:12:03 AM »

As I said............

williamlayton · « **Reply #38 on:** January 07, 2005, 07:28:10 AM »

does that apply to the Lord-Christ Jesus?
Blessings

lostone1413 · « **Reply #39 on:** January 07, 2005, 07:45:58 AM »

LOADER 3009 I always believed that way to. In prophesy allot of the new testament when they talk about Israel they are really talking about America.

Loader 3009 · « **Reply #40 on:** January 07, 2005, 09:59:41 AM »

Quote from: lostone1413

LOADER 3009 I always believed that way to. In prophesy allot of the new testament when they talk about Israel they are really talking about America.

A lot of the confusion comes from the naming of the Nation/State of Israel back in 1947. There was a lot of discussion as what to name her. It came down to two choices...Israel or Judah. They voted on it and Israel won out. Judah would have been the more correct name. The name Jew is short for Judah.

As you probably know, most Benjaminites and a majority of Levites eventually joined with the tribe of Judah, after the big split. The remaining tribes were known collectively as Israelites. Initially, all practiced the same religion, known today as Judaism. The two factions were given into captivity for breaking the contract they they had made with God, in the time of Moses.

NOTE: All of Israel, including Judah, were "chosen" to carry out a commission. Here, again, we see a popular error in today's thinking. The Jews are not the ONLY chosen people.

As mentioned above, the Israelites were taken into captivity.... by the Assyrians. As the Assyrians migrated north and west, they took their slaves with them. As the centuries passed, the Israelites were freed and established nations of their own. They are identifiable today, with a little study. God told them that He would sift them through all nations (as punishment), but not a grain would be lost. He doesn't lie.

MGMorden · « **Reply #41 on:** January 10, 2005, 01:07:18 PM »

I minored in History whilst in college (though admittedly I did my focus in Greek/Roman history), and all historical evidence points to fe352v8 being right on this one. The Native Americans are mongoloids (meaning of Asian descent. The basic races of the Earth are Caucasoid, Negroid, Mongoloid, and Australoid) who crossed the Bearing Straight sometime during the last Ice Age (which ended 10,000 years ago). Given various archaelogical evidence they have been here a minimum of 13,000 years, and up to a maximum of around 20,000 years, which would put them as getting here during pre-historic times (our oldest historic records coming from Mesopotmia/Samaria from some 10,000 years ago). Now there is some evidence that the South American tribes may have had some contact with Africans, but those are in the more recent parts of Native American history.

And no if you go back far enough they're not "native" to this land, but all current research point to all human life originating in Africa and then people eventually spread to Europe, Asia, America, etc., so in all truthfulness if anybody has a claim to this land then the Native Americans do. (and though I look as white as can be in my pic, I am 1/16th Cherokee

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Loader 3009 · « **Reply #42 on:** January 10, 2005, 11:37:03 PM »

My records show that man has been on this earth for only 6,000 years.

Who am I to believe,... God, who created man and placed him on this earth ..... or some Klempson professor?

williamlayton · « **Reply #43 on:** January 11, 2005, 01:40:58 AM »

6000 years is a close enough number to agree on.
Blessings

MGMorden · « **Reply #44 on:** January 11, 2005, 02:03:11 PM »

Quote from: Loader 3009

My records show that man has been on this earth for only 6,000 years.

Who am I to believe,... God, who created man and placed him on this earth ..... or some Klempson professor?

II Peter 3:8: But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

The 6000 years figure is metaphorical. I take the above statement to mean that time has no meaning when dealing with the divine, but if you multiply it out you get a figure of roughly 2.2 billion years for the age of the Earth. Still not quite the 4.6 billion that we've got estimated, but a much more reasonable number. Heck a simple copying error over the years of 2,000 being transcribed as "a thousand" would bring it to 4.4 billion years, which is darned close (and within the margin of error of the calculation)

Case in point:

II Samuel 8:4 And David took from him a thousand chariots, and seven hundred horsemen, and twenty thousand footmen: and David houghed all the chariot horses, but reserved of them for an hundred chariots.

I Chronicles 18:4 And David took from him a thousand chariots, and seven thousand horsemen, and twenty thousand footmen: David also houghed all the chariot horses, but reserved of them an hundred chariots.

There's a numerical discrepency there. Now this could be because of two things: either the whole statement is wrong, or the more likely reason: it's a simple error in transcribing the number.

Actually it's quite naive to think that there are no translation and/or interpretation errors on our part. The most popular version of the Bible (the KJV) is written in an outdated dialect that many people of today have trouble understanding (and I don't know why people cling to it so much. John Wycliffe and William Tyndale had a valid English translation over 100 years before the KJV). Our modern English Bible is also translated from the Latin version which was itself translated from Greek and Aramaic texts. Those texts themselves were largely copied over and over by hand by many people. I do believe that the original authors were divinely inspired, but I do not believe that our English translation is necessarily a perfect translation from the original. There's just too much room for translation error and revision (I wouldn't trust the early Catholic Church as far as I could throw it).

I am a Christian but I'm also not blind. The Earth has clearly been here more than 6,000 years (verifiable both scientifically and historically) so I will look to the Bible to explain that. If you claimed that the Bible said that water flows uphill I wouldn't proclaim the Bible to be false. I'd proclaim that you're understanding it incorrectly

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And why oh Lord has it become so fashionable to think everything that starts with a C is somehow communist and evil? Clemson (originally a military institute) is a very prestigious university and is the clear leader in the state for science and engineering (we actually got Time's Public College of the Year in 2000). There are numerous Christian clubs and groups on campus. By what right or evidence do you somehow villify it?

fe352v8 · « **Reply #45 on:** January 12, 2005, 07:38:01 AM »

The jewish calendar is measured from the creation and this is the year 5758. However in Genesis the sun was not created until the fourth "day" thus the first three "days" were not solar days and could have very well been longer than a twenty-four hour day. Through out history people have had genuine and pious beliefs that some text is the true word of God, and these same people have used their interpretations of these texts to justify their beliefs and vilify the beliefs of others. Less than a thousand years ago people were being killed in Gods name for saying the earth was not the center of the universe. But why bother with facts, faith is a belief and requires no proof, besides facts require thought. From my prospective it often appears that some people chose to create God in their image instead of having been created in Gods image.

jon

fe352v8 · « **Reply #46 on:** January 12, 2005, 10:28:49 AM »

apologies it's 5765, those lunar years always confuse me.

jon

williamlayton · « **Reply #47 on:** January 13, 2005, 02:09:22 AM »

I THINK, JUST, ME think. Time is much of the culprit of misunderstanding. I think time is immaterial to God and a man made thing. I see the 6000 years as viable. God's words "as is" are, to me, metaphorical.
I believe the measurement of mans existence on this earth are the 6000 years we are talking about.
What we are really doing here, as man is want to do, is going after immaterial things. Chasing rabbits. God is not understandable outside his revealing of himself those things that are needed for man to come to him.
prophecy is popular, The gifts are popular, etc, but are not what the Lord our God was/is revealing to us, past what is needed.
Our understanding of God and his ways and what he has done for us is, really all that he has completely revealed. The rest are mans search for a way for man to gain the intellect of God.
God has provided a way for man to become acceptable to God, to abide with him eternally, for him to bless man, to forgive man of all these sins--That way is Christ Jesus, eternal God in the flesh and this is accomplished not by understanding God an therefore becoming acceptable to God, but by a calling of man by the Holy Spirit of God and faith.
Blessings