Author Topic: 777 and Jacketed Bullets in 45-70 (Read 782 times)

Haywire Haywood · « **on:** January 12, 2005, 08:01:23 AM »

I have both FFg and FFFg equivalent 777 and some Remington 400gr JSPs that I thought I'd shoot up. Is there any problem using those 400s on top of the FFg equivalent? I don't recall anyone talking about doing that and wondered if there was an obvious reason not to.

Ian

Mac11700 · « **Reply #1 on:** January 12, 2005, 08:43:03 AM »

Good question...I don't have a clue...but...it would seem that the pressures might be kinda screwy and all...since the jacketed bullet would have more resistance than a lead bullet...but like I said...I don't know...

Mac

raynor · « **Reply #2 on:** January 12, 2005, 01:47:45 PM »

Haywire,
BP loads and BP substitute loads should be used with cast or swaged bullets only. Must also be lubed with a lube thats designed for softening the fouling left behind from the powders. (Black, American Pioneer, 777)Doesn't matter, they all leave fouling to some degree. The lube should soften it enough for the next bullet to clear some of it out.

Many homebrews out there for bullet lube that all work great. One of my favorites is beeswax, murphy's oil soap and a little crisco all whipped together.

Haywire Haywood · « **Reply #3 on:** January 12, 2005, 02:36:28 PM »

Ya know, somehow it didn't seem right but had to ask anyway. Didn't think about the lube/residue issue. :oops:

thanks,
Bonehead-for-a-day

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #4 on:** January 13, 2005, 03:04:05 AM »

Haywire Haywood, you can use a grease cookie under the bullet. The same way you would if you were using paper patch bullets. I have shot some lead bullets that were designed for smokeless out of my Shiloh Sharps 45-70 with black powder, but I used a grease cookie to help with fouling. It work good for me.

JBMauser · « **Reply #5 on:** January 15, 2005, 08:19:12 AM »

777 is not black powder. It makes smoke but all the rest is more smokeless than not. It leaves almost no fouling, more than regular smokeless but not much not enough to bother the next shot. There would be no practical use for a lube disk. There is not enough fouling to worry about and it is more like dust than a tar like mass. Do not compress 777 but do not leave any air space, and do not use any wads or fillers per Hodgdon but a single card wad can be used to protect the bullet base again, per Hodgdon. I can't lay my hands on my 777 data sheet to see if there is any jacketed data. I would check their web site. BTW this stuff is hotter than regular BP. I have fired 777 after a run of bp and it cleaned the bore up! Best of luck, JB

JBMauser · « **Reply #6 on:** January 15, 2005, 09:01:39 AM »

Very interesting data found at Hodgdon's web page. They make no comment on using jackated bullets. They recomend the powder for any projectile used for muzzleloaders. The interesting info found at their site was that you should NOT use BP lube as that combination CAUSES fouling.
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Q. When I use my homemade blackpowder bullet lube and load Triple Seven into cartridges, I get some hard fouling that is difficult to remove from the bore. What can I do about this?

A. Quit using your special lube with Triple Seven. We have found that the regular hard, wax type lubes used for smokeless loads work just fine with Triple Seven and we have had no problems cleaning up afterward.
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Who would have thunk that? Not me. JB