Here's an interesting bullet for the 45-70

[MtJerry]

http://missoula.bigsky.net/western/cbip/b460390.html

410gr. Cast bullet nicknamed "The Fist of God."

I ordered a few yesterday - I'll get a range report when I get some loaded.

I am hpoing to try this on a buffalo next fall. Maybe a bear in the spring ..  :wink:

Any comments?

[Mac11700]

MTJerry:

Thanks for the link...looks like some good prices...

Mac

[Cottonwood]

MtJerry

If your looking for a real good bullet for taking a buffalo with the 45-70 I have some of these in HARD CAST if your interested.  I am getting some more of these in 30:1 soft cast.

This is called a 510-gr Bison Buster, I could post pics of the 1200 pound bison cow it put down with one shot........



Ah heck with it.... here ya go.  George shot this with his 1885 Browning 45-90 at 165 yards.   George heard a WHACK and the cow stumbled about 10 yards and dropped.

[JPH45]

That NEI 410 Keith style semi wad cutter in the list just above the one you show looks like it will shoot like a house afire. It has the right stuff, a long groove diameter body and a short nose. I'm interested in hearing how the bullet you have chosen shoots. It is a bore ride design and it's accuracy will depend on how well the nose fits the bore of your rifle. When you get them, take one and see it how it fits your muzzle. If it drops into the muzzle and is loose, it probably won't make a good shooter, certainly not at higher speed. If the bore rider doesn't ride on or slightly engrave on the lands, the bullet will ery likely "tilt" or slump in the bore and it just won't be accurate. If it won't enter the muzzle or slightly engraves on the lands it shoud shoot OK.

Bullet fit is everything with a cast bullet and it seems even more so with the NEF barrels.

[Lone Star]

I'm with JHP45, the bore riders are picky about fit and rifling style if you want to push them fast enough to earn the moniker "Fist of God".  ( Man, the first time I read hyperbole like that I usually turn the page! )  They like wider rifling to support the nose section too.  That said, loaded down they may shoot as well as anything.

The NEI SWC does look like a better killer, and it has the advantage of reducing the powder capacity of the case for better ignition and potentially better accuracy.  You can still load it up enough to hurt you bad if you want....

[MtJerry]

Thanks for the comments fella - that's the info I was looking for.  I will give them a good look-see and let you know what I discover.

Lone Star -

I went to high school in Crosby.  We've chewed some of the same dirt.  

[Buckeye]

Thanks for posting the site !   :grin:

[Cottonwood]

I'm interested in hearing how the bullet you have chosen shoots. It is a bore ride design and it's accuracy will depend on how well the nose fits the bore of your rifle. When you get them, take one and see it how it fits your muzzle. If it drops into the muzzle and is loose, it probably won't make a good shooter, certainly not at higher speed. If the bore rider doesn't ride on or slightly engrave on the lands, the bullet will ery likely "tilt" or slump in the bore and it just won't be accurate. If it won't enter the muzzle or slightly engraves on the lands it shoud shoot OK.  Bullet fit is everything with a cast bullet and it seems even more so with the NEF barrels.

The greatest accuracy I have ever gotten is with bore riding bullets.  The 510-gr Bison Buster has very good accuracy in both the Ultra 45-70 and the Buffalo Classic, in both smokeless and black powder loads.

Here is a 50 yard accuracy test before hunting season.

[JPH45]

No disrespect, but please read my post again, I did not say bore riders are inaccurate, I said how they fit the bore dimensions determines the accuracy we can expect to get from the bullet. If a bore rider design does not fit ridde on the lands preferably be engraved by them, then the faster a such a bullet is shot, the worse it's accuracy will be. Please note that I did write that if the rider fit the bore proper such designs are good bullets. I suspect that either that is a lower velocity load (not greater than 1400 fps) or that the bore rider fits your rifle properly, or both.

Again, I'm not sure of your intent, I can assure you that all I was seeking to do was share how to check the bullet against his barrel without firing a shot. If the bore rider is loose in the bore it will most likely not shoot well at greater than 1200 fps. This is a very common phenonemon with cast bullets regardless of caliber.

I apologize if I misread your intenet and felt I had to defend myself. Please be assured that my response is meant as nothing more than a clarification of my post.

Nice group by the way. :grin:

[Cottonwood]

JPH45

No offense was taken.... I was just showing what this bore rider did in my Ultra 45-70.  And yes, the FPS was below 1400 but with a 30:1 soft cast bullet I would not want a fast FPS because of leading.

I know many here like the fast FPS, some of us prefer the slower FPS  :grin:

[JPH45]

We ought to show up for that PD shoot with our Big Bores and show 'em how it's really done :-D  :-D  :-D  

Better yet, perhaps we  need to plan a 45-70 H&R/NEF owners buffalo hunt. That would have to rank as an ultimate do. :grin:    :grin:

[Cottonwood]

Well, I'm selling off everything that shoots to get this beauty.  I know its not a H&R Rifle, but its an original 76 action Remington Rolling Block in 45-90     I've already got the deal going and there is, I mean IS no backing out now  :lol:  

But I garunteeeeeee it can hit prairie dogs as far out as I can see them.



We will be making our showing this year at the Matthew Quigley Buffalo Match on Fathers Day week-end          

[sureshot2040]

montanan,
man that is a nice shooter!!
i thought i was stepping up a bit with my repro sharps 1874 but wow
i might have to try some of those bison busters in my sharps
how do i go abt getting hold of some?
sureshot

[JPH45]

Very nice rifle indeed Montanan

[MtJerry]

OUTSTANDING group Jon!

I got my fingers crossed that these bullets will work for me.  I got a buffalo lined up for next fall.  I want to get full penetration - in one shoulder and our the other ....  

[Cottonwood]

MtJerry

George got full penetration side to side at 165 yards with a soft cast 30:1 load in his 45-90 1885 Browning Hi-Wall BPCR Creedmoor rifle.  This of course was a black powder load.  I got pictures of the bison cow after the capping and I can say there was no bloodshot meat period.

sureshot2040

Which type did you want I have 65 ct 500-gr Elk Busters that are so hard cast this is how they got there name because they will break both shoulders of an elk or bison for that mater and if used on hogs  :eek:    I'm waiting to hear from George to see if he wants to trade again for some .458 dia. 535 Grn. Lyman Postell Bullets, #457132

The hard cast bullets will not be used in the Remington Rolling Block as I will only use black powder cartridge loads in it.

But I have some 30:1 soft cast coming, but I know the caster since I helped with what is now called the 510-gr Bison Buster.  Now I don't know exactly when Kodiak is going to send me those bullets, since he runs a tight schedual.

One thing about these, is in either casting they are a sure kill bullet.

Now you didn't say what cal your repro Sharps is.. 45-70, 45-90 ?

I got some great 550-gr Creedmoor bullets that are also super hard cast, that work better with smokeless loads than black powder loads.

[MSP Ret]

Great group Jon/Montanan, and a beautiful rifle also!!!....<><.... :grin: