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Offline Shorty

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« on: January 13, 2005, 12:45:19 PM »
'Caught on the news just this morning.  The media and a few desk-jockey type police chiefs are in a tizzy about this new pistol.  I hadn't heard a word about it, and usually the media is onto some "bad" gun long after "we" new all about it.   This self-loading pistol fires a bottle-neck cartridge with a spitzer bullet, so it can penetrate body armor, as can any such rifle bullet.  They seem to be gearing up for the next "evil" gun to be banned.  How did I miss this?  :eek:

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« Reply #1 on: January 13, 2005, 01:36:58 PM »
They've been out for a while (at least a coupe years).  A guy had one at the range a few months ago.   I actually think it's a wonderful little gun; not for the armor piercing (my CZ-52 would do that with the right loads if I was interested), but for the extra mag capacity.  The thing holds 20 rounds in the mag with a non-protruding magazine.  As someone who uses a pistol solely for plinking, I like that quite a bit  :grin:.

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« Reply #2 on: January 13, 2005, 04:21:25 PM »
One of the negatives as far as Law Enforcement was the fact it has 60%less recoil than a 9mm which allows for faster target alignment.

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« Reply #3 on: January 14, 2005, 11:35:27 AM »
I went down an looked at this thing after I read the post this AM. It is a pretty good looking weapon, even if plastic, and the ammo is unusual. Kinda reminded me of a 22 mag.
7.5 x ??.
I did not like the fact that it was DAO.
Price was $890--wheeze, cough, gasp, BREATH DEEPLY--Still I must ask, as I am intrigued, what are the ballistics on this thing. Looks like it would be good for my wife, not too use on her but for her to use, hopefully not on me either.
Can you see thru my bs an tell I am looking for excuses here?
Seriously, could one consider this, legitimately, as a self defense weapon?
I really liked it, I guess.
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« Reply #4 on: January 14, 2005, 12:44:42 PM »
So, few knew about this, and few anti's were concerned, until the high cap. mag. ban ended?  Now,  :shock:  :shock:  :shock: Anybody can own one!  :roll:

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« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2005, 02:55:03 AM »
Well I answered some of my own questions.
BTW, if we're talking the same weapon, it is an FN 5.7x28 ---not what I said before.
2100 fps.
The question I really am asking now is the two modles offered.five-sevenN and the five-sevenN tactical.
The five-sevenN is DAO.
the five-sevenN tactical is a single action, yet it appears that it has no hammer.
Anybody with a clue please respond.
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« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2005, 03:50:00 AM »
I think squirt pistols should be declared "Evil Cop Killer" guns.

Why?

The vests I've seen say that the warranty of them is null and void if it gets wet. That is because the protective qualities of Kevlar drop if it gets wet (unless it is protected or treated somehow).

Therefore, you could in theory soak down a LEO with a squirt pistol to make him vulnerable to conventional handguns.* So, ALL WATER PISTOLS SHOULD BE IMMEDIATELY REMOVED FROM THE MARKET AS POTENTIAL COP KILLERS! Followed of course by garden hoses, plastic spray bottles and plastic cups of the type used to soak NBA players.  




*For the sarcasm impaired, no, I am not suggesting anyone do this, this is a satirical comment on the thought processes of the Sarah Brady crowd.

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« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2005, 10:20:22 AM »
No firearm, or any kind of ammunition has ever been specifically designed to kill cops. This B.S. is being espoused by the same do-gooders who "feel" that any behavior that involves the slightest risk should be abolished to "protect our children."

These feel-good morons rimind me of the hippies who paraded around in bleached-out attire while whining that "war isn't healthy for children, and other living things." Since my older brother was a poor working man who was drafted to serve a year as an actual combat infantryman in Vietnam, I've always wanted the opportunity to properly inform the misinformed about harsh realities such as war, for example. And this is how I would do it:

No, Mr. LSD, warfare was never intended to be healthy for anyone. Wars are based on bloodshed, and obliterating the enemy of the day to obtain whatever objective the powers that be decide is worth all that expense, and grievous destruction to lives and property. Now, be a good little flower child and go find a worthwhile pursuit such as hooking up with some charming fellow such as Charles Manson, or contracting AIDS, freaking out on drugs, or doing something equally productive to achieving peace on Earth.

There, I feel much better now.  :-)

Our local police chief complained that the safety of his officers would be jeapardized by the expiration of the Clinton gun ban. I have yet to see the anti-gun media sensationalizing any incidents involving cops and assault gun wielding bandits in my hometown, as I surely would if any such incidents would occur.

BTW, after bearing witness to a portrait hanging in a local Bible shop that depicts a cop and a fireman as divine figures standing right up there with the angels, an ordinary mortal such as myself couldn't possibly be blamed for assuming that invincibility came with a badge.  :roll:

My advice to any cop who doesn't feel safe because private citizens have the right to bear arms is to find another occupation. And this is exactly what I told my nephew who chose to become a deputy sheriff.
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« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2005, 12:59:20 PM »
I can't stand it~~~~!!!!!!!!!

This "cop-killer" crap is a stupid brain dead assinine attempt to play on the fears of equally stupid brain dead assinine idiots who can't understand that IT IS THE CRIMINAL THAT IS AT BLAME FOR ANY AND ALL DEATHS OR DAMAGE CAUSED BY THE BULLETS THAT COME OUT OF THE GUN!!!! NO CRIMINALS = NO DEATH OR DAMAGE!!!! BAN CRIMINALS!!!![/b]
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« Reply #9 on: January 16, 2005, 02:34:03 AM »
I am hacked at shorty for starting this thread. Read why on "self defence and carry handguns".
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« Reply #10 on: January 16, 2005, 04:24:42 AM »
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particularly if the gun/ammo is specifically designed to circumvent regular police issue armor.


When FN first came out with this gun it was specifically for USE by law enforcement.  It was not made with the intention of killing cops.

It's a vicious cycle.  Without armor any bullet would kill a cop.  Should regular guns be banned?  Of course not.  They strap on some extra material though and NOW think that anything that penetrates their holy protection is bad and should be banned.  This isn't a backyard game though; you can't whine about the other guys not playing fair.  My advice is for them to go back to the lab and develop some better body armor if they want it to remain effective as technology progresses.

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« Reply #11 on: January 16, 2005, 12:01:29 PM »
williamlayton,
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« Reply #12 on: January 16, 2005, 03:03:19 PM »
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you can't whine about the other guys not playing fair. My advice is for them to go back to the lab and develop some better body armor if they want it to remain effective as technology progresses.


i guess i would word it differently.  man up or find another job.   it is the way it is.

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« Reply #13 on: January 16, 2005, 05:08:33 PM »
Better training and get criminals off the streets would protect as well as anything.

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« Reply #14 on: January 17, 2005, 06:17:33 AM »
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It's a vicious cycle.  Without armor any bullet would kill a cop.  Should regular guns be banned?  Of course not.  They strap on some extra material though and NOW think that anything that penetrates their holy protection is bad and should be banned.  This isn't a backyard game though; you can't whine about the other guys not playing fair.


You are precisely right although I think that most of the "cop killer" nonsense comes from the gun-fearing-wussies of HandJob Control Inc., etc.

One funny thing is is that Kevlar won't, by itself, stop a knife.

Another is that when Ted "Let's take the bridge" Kennedy and the HandJob Control Inc. crowd managed to out law "Saturday Night Specials" criminals started arming themselves with well-made high-cap autos. Then the cry was "The police are out-gunned!" and they started carrying them as well.

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« Reply #15 on: January 19, 2005, 04:00:10 PM »
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They are the good guys aren't they??


ask randy weaver.   :cry: