Oh yeah ,I forgot about the viscosity problem, it will get pretty thick in the cold. Also, props on the condensation post, forgot about that too. And I just picked up a knife today, before I read the post even. I was thinking along those same lines, might be good enough to give me time to get into the car should something unexpected happen. But I still want to get a P32. My work is posting to my account an extra bonus for exemplary overall performance over last year, so that money is as good as spent, I think . Damn the Bug bite!