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Offline doughboysigep

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My ideas for restructuring the So. Zone hunting seasons
« on: January 20, 2005, 01:42:34 AM »
Hello all.  Here is a letter I have/will be sending to several people (DEC, sports organizations, politicians).  This is a bit condensed version from my original.  Let me know what you think (agree - disagree with)  I think if we as hunters can present a somewhat unified stance on the proposed regs we'll have a better chance getting hunting seasons that most will be happy with.

To Whom It May Concern:

I am writing this letter in response to the NYS Department of Environmental Conservation’s proposed changes to the Southern Zone Hunting Season dates & structure.  I have some apprehensions about the proposed changes and some suggestions.

As a hunter with a Natural Resources degree, I realize the difficulties and complexities involved with managing the State’s deer herd and when you combine that with trying to appease the hunting community, landowners, and other stakeholders, the job becomes even more challenging.  I feel there needs to be compromise by all parties (bowhunters, gun hunters, muzzleloaders, & DEC) to achieve a workable structure that all can “live” with.  I think the ideas/alternative listed below may be a way to accomplish this.  

1)   Archery Season:  Starting bow season early will give bow hunters more hunting days and could, therefore, potentially increase deer harvests.  However, many bowhunters (myself included) are not overly excited with early bow, but would be happy with the extra time in the woods and take advantage of the opportunity.
2)   Early ML Season:  I know for a fact that almost all bowhunters (BH) will not be happy with a muzzleloader (ML) season interrupting the archery.  The major reason for the opposition is the increased pressure in the woods by ML hunters disrupting the deer’s normal patterns, which BHs rely on heavily.  As a ML hunter, I believe we need more hunting opportunities to hunt with MLs.  However, I think there are better alternatives.  One thought is to put the week of antlerless before the beginning of the bow season.  This would not have as big of an effect on the deer patterns since the rut is farther away and the deer will have some time to resume their normal patterns before peak bowhunting occurs.  My other suggestion for increased ML opportunities are detailed in #4.
3)   Regular Gun Season:  I know the Saturday opener is something that has been kicked around for quite awhile now and is something a majority of hunters would like.  Being a “traditionalist”, I am not one of those hunters.  Additionally, as a bowhunter, I will lose a prime weekend of bowhunting.  With that said, I would not be upset with a change to Saturday.  I know it will increase hunter satisfaction and help increase deer harvests.  Additionally, to help with antlerless harvests, allow ML & bow hunters to use their respective tags in gun season.  This not only could help control doe numbers, but it would give those that prefer those implements an additional opportunity to use them.
4)   Late ML & Archery Season:  The late ML season is where I really think opportunities for ML hunters can be expanded and equity achieved.  Late ML season could last for 3-4 weeks.  This gives those hunters more chances to get out in the field and, thereby, increases their satisfaction and the deer harvest.  Conditions can be ideal at this time of year and even if conditions are not ideal, ML hunters will have the choice to hunt or not.  Late archery could stay the same.
5)   Additional Thoughts:   I think the “Saturday Opener” concept is a good idea, but would not work under my proposal.  My dates for the “ideal” scenario would be as follows:

Early Muzzlelaoder Season (and/or possibly Archery) – October 1st lasting 1 week (antlerless only)
Archery Season – October 8th through the day before regular season
Regular Season – Third Saturday in November running for 23 days (ML and bow tags can be used with those particular weapons)
Late Archery Season – Day after close of regular season running 7 days (any unused tags valid)
Late Muzzleloader – Day after close of regular season lasting 3-4 weeks (any unused tags valid; possibly some antlerless restrictions)
 
I am a very devoted deer hunter and have put a good deal of time and thought into these topics.  I believe that these ideas are based in sound management, as well as, hunter satisfaction.  I realize there will never be a way to satisfy everyone, but hopefully there is a way, with compromise, to get close.  I think my ideas make an honest attempt do just that.  Potentially, bowhunters would gain a week or two of hunting, while giving up a prime weekend of hunting.  Muzzleloaders will gain several weeks of hunting, which they deserve, and the opportunity to use their tags in the regular gun season.  However, they could be restricted to antlerless harvests for some portion(s) of those season(s).  Gun hunters get a Saturday opener and 4 weekends of hunting.  I think the DEC would get a structure that would appease a large majority of the hunting community and provide some additional opportunities for herd control.

I think the proposed restructuring is a good foundation for needed change.  However, it could use some adjustments that would be beneficial to all parties involved.  I think if the hunting community can present a somewhat united front on the above issues we will be able to get much more accomplished.  Like many, I enjoy hunting with bow, shotgun/rifle, and muzzleloader and like the separate seasons for using each of those implements.   I look forward to the statewide meeting next month (February 8th @ Chenango Valley HS) and am eager to give my input, as well as, hear other’s ideas.  Thank you.

Offline Rwalter63

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I like the proposals
« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2005, 01:17:36 PM »
Doughboysigep

I like your proposals. So many bow hunters do not even want a early muzzleloader season at all. I bow and muzzleload hunt and I would welcome and early week in the season with my muzzleloader. I like might want to see that early week for ML's start maybe the week before shotgun season though and maybe only add one week to the archery season instead of two. Don't want to short change all the small game hunters out there cutting into there pheasant season and what ever else they maybe out there after. I also like the Saturday starts for season openers. It will make it easier to get off work and get out hunting more days.

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My ideas for restructuring the So. Zone hun
« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2005, 03:02:00 AM »
I realize that deer hunting is the biggest money maker for the state and I hunt deer myself on occasion but I don't agree with the proposed changes the state wants to make.  I am pasting a copy of the email I sent to the state about the proposed changes, I realize I am in the minority but I feel as a hunter I should voice my opinion.

Dear Sirs:

I have been a dedicated ruffed grouse and woodcock hunter for 46 years
now.  I normally buy a Sportsmen license as I love to trout fish and
some years I do go deer hunting.  If the proposed changes are made to
the deer hunting seasons I feel you will be doing harm to the bird and
small game hunters in NY state.  I will still start my grouse season as I have always done but I won't be happy about the deer hunters in the
woods and I am very unwilling to give up my grouse and woodcock hunting to accomodate the early deer hunters.  I do feel though that starting this year I will only buy a small game and fishing license instead of the Sportsmen.  I realize I could get the Sportsmen for only $2.00 but I
feel why should I buy the Sportsmen any longer.

Thank You,
George L Foster
Good Shooting,
George

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My ideas for restructuring the So. Zone hun
« Reply #3 on: January 27, 2005, 10:43:45 AM »
Here's my $.02;  Keep it simple:  Early muzzleloader first week of firearms season, extend regular firearms season by 1 week, & open archery season 1 week earlier.  Archery hunters will complain but all archery hunters I know also hunt with muzzleloader.  I strongly oppose muzzleloader week the same week as that in northern zone;  It would benefit nobody but I bet that's what they'll do.