Author Topic: NEF .270 (Read 1217 times)

JPSaxMan · « **on:** January 23, 2005, 05:41:15 PM »

Quote from: deerslayer15

I have a buddy who wants to get his 13 year old son a single shot NEF. Chambered in .2700r .243 I think he has made a great dicidion on caliber But he doesn't know weather to get a bull barrel .243 or the regular barrel in .270. Bothe barrels would be 22 inches long. After he heard what great results I got from you guy he ask me for help so you guys Please give me some replies!

Deerslayer had this posted in the Remington forum (since we're all such good fellas over there :wink:) and I figured this would help just as much. Even tho Remington forum don't mind, NEF guys prolly kno more bout it than we do. Thanx!

P.S: My reply to his topic is the next post down

JPSaxMan · « **Reply #1 on:** January 23, 2005, 05:43:27 PM »

Why does he want both calibers? That sounds like a waste of $$$ unless there's a good reason.

I think I'm gonna copy this into the NEF forum just to save ya grief. How bout that :grin:.

Uhh...let us kno the reason why he wants both caliber barrels and we'll be able to help out a lil more

MSP Ret · « **Reply #2 on:** January 24, 2005, 01:53:41 AM »

It looks to me as if he wants to buy only one caliber gun, a .270 "or" a .243. I would suggest a 7mm-08 for his 13 year old son. Her could always add other barrel to the same receiver as his son grows, needs, or wants them....<><.... :grin:

ONE HOLE 4570 · « **Reply #3 on:** January 24, 2005, 02:06:11 AM »

I picked up a 7-08 for my son (he won't get to use it for a few years still too little he is working on a hornet now to learn the ins & outs of the handies like his daddy) actually not to tell a lie its for us/me but it helps with the misses to label it his :grin: I got some reduced load info on hodgdons web sight http://www.hodgdon.com/data/youth/index.php & plan on loading some up to see how they work. I think a 13 year old should handle the reduced loads fine & then work up to where he can tolerate it. It is a good round & is a whole lot cheaper than a model7 & you can ad barrels later for varments 223 or dangerous game 45-70 and shotguns & OH I should stop now you get the point it is alot of fun

Brett · « **Reply #4 on:** January 24, 2005, 02:07:36 AM »

I had to read the question a couple of times but I think what deerslayer15 is asking is which caliber and barrel contour should his buddy get for his 13 year old son.

The answer to that depends on what the young man intends to use the gun for. If it's for deer hunting I would recommend the .243 probably in a standard taper. If he wants it for target shooting and varmints up to the size of coyotes I'ld recommend the .223 probably in the bull barrel depending on how much walking he would have to do to get to his hunting area. Of course weight is usually only a factor for us more 'mature' individuals with warn out knees and tired backs, not to mention the couple of extra pounds we tend to be carrying on or persons already. :wink:

JPSaxMan · « **Reply #5 on:** January 24, 2005, 02:59:28 AM »

Yea, that was what he meant. He told me that in the other part of the post. So I guess what he's asking is, does he want a .243 bull barrel or a .270 plain barrel? Something bull barrel=better accuracy :? . I dunno.

deerslayer15 · « **Reply #6 on:** January 24, 2005, 03:18:58 AM »

Guess I didn't make myself clear.

He wants to know if the .270 is acurate with a 22 inch barrel. Or is the .243 more acurate with the bull barrel. We have both shot a .243 with the bull barrel and it shot great. We have also shot a 30-30 with the regular 22 in. barrel and it shot very poorly, will the .270 shoot poorly or was the load we shot in the 30-30 just a bad load for that gun? The gun will probaly be used for a few years. So it will be an all around gun.

The reason I ask is couse he would rather have the .270 but if it is not gunna be accurate he is willing to get a .243 bull.

Tell me if you don't understand. Alot of the time I know what I mean I just don't type it right :-D

Brett · « **Reply #7 on:** January 24, 2005, 04:10:30 AM »

Oops! :oops: Hadn't given the caffeine time to take effect this morning. Even after reading the original post a couple of times I misread .270 as .223.

So let me revise my answer - Any of the calibers mentioned, .270, .243, 7mm-08 are good "all around calibers" for this continent. All are long range calibers capable of great accuracy to 250- 300 yards easily. Every gun/barrel is individual even within calibers. In other words one guys .270 may shoot better than another guys .270 and someone elses 7mm may or may not shoot more accurately than either of them. The Big (with a capital B) factor when it comes to accuracy is practice. So a good question to ask before choosing a caliber is which ammo is readily available and or most affordable in your area. The more time you spend behind the trigger the more accurate you will be with any caliber you choose. Hope we have helped.

Duce · « **Reply #8 on:** January 24, 2005, 06:22:37 AM »

Fishman: Really need to know intended purpose. If he figureing on a combo rifle, .243 can be good deer/varmite. With this said though it's not perfect, my personal opinion is that a .243 is a little light for deer, not serious though, you just need to take it into account when you take a shot. For varmite it's a little expensive for PD/groundhog but great for coyote. The 270 on the other hand is dandy for deer and a little heavy for varmite smaller than coyotes, a little to powerful for anything less than a semi-urban areas.
On the subject of bull barrel, all standard barrels are the same contour, so the smaller the caliber the heavier the barrel, eccept the .280 Rem. which is 26". As for a bull barrel unless your PD shooting or a lot of paper punching, I think their advantage is offset by their extra weight and the fact they can be a bear to carry much. Hope This Helps: :-D <>< Duce:

Mac11700 · « **Reply #9 on:** January 24, 2005, 07:08:29 AM »

Quote from: deerslayer15

Guess I didn't make myself clear. He wants to know if the .270 is acurate with a 22 inch barrel. Or is the .243 more acurate with the bull barrel. We have both shot a .243 with the bull barrel and it shot great. We have also shot a 30-30 with the regular 22 in. barrel and it shot very poorly, will the .270 shoot poorly or was the load we shot in the 30-30 just a bad load for that gun? The gun will probaly be used for a few years. So it will be an all around gun.

The reason I ask is couse he would rather have the .270 but if it is not gunna be accurate he is willing to get a .243 bull.

Tell me if you don't understand. Alot of the time I know what I mean I just don't type it right :-D

Like Brett said...it all depends on the individual rifle as to how accurate they are...some rifles will shoot buck shot patterns with a paticular load...and yet that same rifle can put them into 1" or less with another load...

The 243 with the 24" bull barrel is heavier than the standard conture 270 barrel...it can help balence the gun for off hand shooting...and help reduce the miminal 243's recoil from the bench.The heavier 24" bull barrel won't heat up as fast...and most are gennerally more accurate than a standard barrel because of this...not always mind you...there are always exceptions to anything dealing with these fine little guns...

An all around gun means a-lot of different things to different people...if you want a varmint/deer rifle...you'll need to determine just what type of hunting you'll be doing...if your doing more walking than shooting...the heavier bull barrel might be to heavy to carry all day for a youngster..... if he's really trying to deceide between a regular 22" barrel in 243 over a 22" 270...both will heat up fast...and the 270 will have more recoil...this is a consideration to take into account....some of the lighter weight 243's have had a problem with stabilizing some of the heavier bullets...you say you have shot the bull barreled 243 and it shoots good...but he would prefere the 270 over the 243...has he shot a 270...can he handle the recoil?...If he has...and doesn't have a problem with the recoil...then go with the 270...it will make a better all around gun than a 243...you have a wide selection of ammo to choose from...and as others have said..you have a reduced load from Remington as well if standard loads are a bit much.

The 243 is a good deer round...and has accounted for a-lot of heads taken...but the 270 offers more and he can expand his hunting to include much larger animals...while it may not make a perfect varmint gun...it can be used for one...and since he's getting a Handi...he can always pick up a different barrel and have it strickly for hunting varmints as well...

Mac

deerslayer15 · « **Reply #10 on:** January 24, 2005, 07:56:56 AM »

Neather of us has shot a .270. I think he will be able to handle the recoil. I am gunna let him read the replies and am almost shure he will pick the .270. The only worry he had was that it would shoot like the 30-30 we shot. :wink:

Mac11700 · « **Reply #11 on:** January 24, 2005, 08:34:44 AM »

Quote from: deerslayer15

Neather of us has shot a .270. I think he will be able to handle the recoil. I am gunna let him read the replies and am almost shure he will pick the .270. The only worry he had was that it would shoot like the 30-30 we shot. :wink:

There is no gaurentee that it won't...you'll just have to try different ammo thru it and see what it likes...and I will suggest that he does a search on the different ways to break in a barrel here..most have had(myself included) real good luck polishing the chamber and bore with either Flitz or JB compound before shooting it...it seems to help with the accuracy of them...I can't say they will shoot good in his rifle...but I've had great luck with them in my 30-06 and in my 25-06...and those are the Winchester Supreme Ballistic tips...I picked up a box to try thru my new 270 barrel...and am still waiting on my Ultra Scope rail to come in before shooting it...which reminds me...I had better give them a call...

Good Luck

Mac

bja105 · « **Reply #12 on:** January 24, 2005, 01:26:25 PM »

.270 in a light rifle is too much recoil for a new shooter. My .270 in a bolt action is too much for me to shoot long sessions, especialy in summer clothes, and I'm NOT little.

I bought the wife the .243 handi, and even it bothered her at first. No way would I start her on a .270, unless I was trying to keep my weekends to myself. If it was my son or daughter, I'd vote 30-30, .243, or 7-08.

James B · « **Reply #13 on:** January 24, 2005, 06:13:22 PM »

I would go with the 270. It really is a much better deer rifle than the 243. Its ok for varmits and deer in a pinch. If your shots are less than 100 yards then the 243 would be a fair choice. Not one that I would make however. :wink: Most all of the handy rifles shoot pretty well. Most guys here who have the 30-30 report pretty good accuracy. Thay shoot very well with Nosler Ballistic tips.

gwhilikerz · « **Reply #14 on:** January 25, 2005, 01:35:06 PM »

Quote from: James B

I would go with the 270. It really is a much better deer rifle than the 243. Its ok for varmits and deer in a pinch. If your shots are less than 100 yards then the 243 would be a fair choice. Not one that I would make however. :wink: Most all of the handy rifles shoot pretty well. Most guys here who have the 30-30 report pretty good accuracy. Thay shoot very well with Nosler Ballistic tips.

LOL, being a 243 fan I have to disagree about the 270 being a "better" rifle for deer. It is just a bigger caliber. Both are good for deer. Guess I could say "how dead is dead"? Now maybe my grandson will let me get back to reading posts after I have "defended" his 243 :-D

jmckinley · « **Reply #15 on:** January 25, 2005, 05:21:08 PM »

If it were my son and I want a rifle he could handle then the HB 243 would be my pick. The mild recoil will allow better shot placement and 100gr pill will turn a Bucks lights out period. shot my biggest Buck in ND that field dress at 250 pounds. He stood about 225 yards away. Placed a 100 gr. Core-Lokt behind his shoulder, took 4 or 5 steps a dropped over.
A hunting buddy shot a 1000 lb Elk once, the bull spun around and died. It's not the size of the pill it's where you put it that counts. My baby son all 6'7" of him will be learning on my little 243. I don't want a flinch to start before he can become proficient with the rifle. By the way he's 25 and it's where I told him to start. Point being he can always move up to the 270 if he needs to. Jess

marv · « **Reply #16 on:** January 26, 2005, 01:05:03 AM »

Jess 1 swt Welcome to the GBO forum,
Your comments are right, I agree 100%.
Sounds like you raised a runt, a son that 6-7

Good hunting, Marv.

jmckinley · « **Reply #17 on:** January 26, 2005, 07:14:54 AM »

"]If it were my son and I want a rifle he could handle then the HB 243 would be my pick. The mild recoil will allow better shot placement and 100gr pill will turn a Bucks lights out period. shot my biggest Buck in ND that field dress at 250 pounds. He stood about 225 yards away. Placed a 100 gr. Core-Lokt behind his shoulder, took 4 or 5 steps a dropped over.
A hunting buddy shot a 1000 lb Elk once, the bull spun around and died. It's not the size of the pill it's where you put it that counts. My baby son all 6'7" of him will be learning on my little 243. I don't want a flinch to start before he can become proficient with the rifle. By the way he's 25 and it's where I told him to start. Point being he can always move up to the 270 if he needs to. Jess

Marv Thanks for your welcome eck I am a runt to my son heck I'm only 6'5". Just didn't grow much as a kid! :lol:

deerslayer15 · « **Reply #18 on:** January 26, 2005, 08:08:31 AM »

Quote from: jmckinley

I am a runt to my son heck I'm only 6'5":lol:

this might be alittle off the subject but....ONLY 6'5".OOOOONLY 6'5":eek: . Am I crazy of is 6'5" above average or what :? :-D :-D

handirifle · « **Reply #19 on:** January 26, 2005, 07:53:20 PM »

My vote goes to the 243 also. It is way more than a 100yd deer rifle. Try 275-300 when put in the right place. For that matter if you shoot in the wrong place from too much recoil, it won't matter if it is an '06.

I only question the heavy barrel. it will absorb recoil, but it will also sap a lot of strength from the carrier. These are not lightweight rifles. My 223 Ultra weighs more than my Savage 30-06 bolt, by about 1 1/2 lbs.

Donaldo · « **Reply #20 on:** January 27, 2005, 06:12:38 AM »

Ok here's my 2 cents. I think a lot of daddys and granddaddys that have been shooting for years get used to recoil, have been around the muzzel blast, yadda, yadda, till it don't bother them anymore. To them there is no reason to start with a "mild" shooting rifle. Recoil and muzzel blast are both bothersome to some people. I think the worst thing you can do is start a 13 year old off with something begger than a 243 Win. I would get him used to a 22 RF first, get him interested in shooting in general, then go to a 223, borrow one if you have to. Then get the 243. Teach him to shoot good, where to place the bullet. A 243 in hands of a good shot will take anything from big mulies down and do it in fine form. Don't make any difference what you are shooting, 338 Mag even, hit the animal in the wrong place and you have a long tracking job to do. Get the 243 in the standard 22" barrel and don't look back.

Mac11700 · « **Reply #21 on:** January 27, 2005, 06:34:22 AM »

Quote from: deerslayer15

Guess I didn't make myself clear. He wants to know if the .270 is acurate with a 22 inch barrel. Or is the .243 more acurate with the bull barrel. We have both shot a .243 with the bull barrel and it shot great. We have also shot a 30-30 with the regular 22 in. barrel and it shot very poorly, will the .270 shoot poorly or was the load we shot in the 30-30 just a bad load for that gun? The gun will probaly be used for a few years. So it will be an all around gun.

The reason I ask is couse he would rather have the .270 but if it is not gunna be accurate he is willing to get a .243 bull.

Tell me if you don't understand. Alot of the time I know what I mean I just don't type it right :-D

If he wants a 270...then get the Ultra 270...he'll get better stocks and a little bit longer (1") and a little bit heavier barrel...and while the 270 does kick a little bit more than a 243.. it isn't anything a young man can't really handle...heck...my daughter when she was 13 could shoot mine and she was a little tiny thing... ...yes..it did kick and I wasn't let her shoot any Light Magnum equivalent loads... I loaded it down enough for her to get used to shooting it,and with proper coaching(which all beginners should have)she was shooting full house loads with-in 6 months...and the nice thing is... you don't even have to reload to do that now with the reduced loads offered by Remington...so...go for the 270 Ultra...then he'll have a all purpose rifle to start out with...

Mac