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« on: January 30, 2005, 02:46:00 PM »
Terrorism as an Excuse
 
By John R. Lott Jr.

January 14, 2005
 
Who could oppose laws preventing terrorists from getting guns? Obviously no one. But it would be nice if laws accomplished something more than simply making it more difficult for Americans to own guns.

Ironically the day before CBS finally released its report on the 60 Minutes Memogate scandal, 60 Minutes was again stirring up fears about how terrorists would use 50-caliber rifles to attack Americans.

Last year it was the semi-automatic assault-weapons ban before it expired. Sen. Charles E. Schumer (D., N.Y.) claimed the ban was "the most effective measures against terrorism that we have." Of course, nothing happened when the law expired last year. There was nothing unique about the guns that are banned under the law. Though the phrase "assault weapon" conjures up images of the rapid-fire machine guns used by the military, in fact the weapons covered by the ban function the same as any semiautomatic hunting rifle; they fire the exact same bullets with the exact same rapidity and produce the exact same damage as hunting rifles.

Back in the mid-1980s it was the hysteria over "plastic guns" when the Austrian company Glock began exporting pistols to the United States. Labeled as "terrorist specials" by the press, fear spread that their plastic frame and grip would make them invisible to metal detectors. Glocks are now common and there are good reasons they are one of the favorite pistols of American police officers. The "plastic gun" ban did not ban anything since it is not possible to actually build a working plastic gun.

Now it is the 50-caliber rifles' turn, especially with California outlawing the sale of these guns since the beginning of the year. For years gun-control groups have tried to ban 50-caliber rifles because of fears that criminals could use them. Such bans have not been passed these guns were simply not suited for crime. Fifty-caliber rifles are big, heavy guns, weighing at least 30 pounds and using a 29-inch barrel. They are also relatively expensive. Models that hold one bullet at a time run nearly $3,000. Semi-automatic versions cost around $7,000. Wealthy target shooters and big-game hunters, not criminals, purchase them. The bottom line is that only one person in the U.S. has been killed with such a gun, and even that one alleged case is debated.

The link to terrorism supposedly provides a new possible reason to ban 50-caliber rifles. But the decision to demonize these particular guns and not say .475-caliber hunting rifles is completely arbitrary. The difference in width of these bullets is a trivial .025 inches. What's next? Banning .45-caliber pistols? Indeed the whole strategy is to gradually reduce the type of guns that people can own.

Sniper Central, a site for both military snipers and law-enforcement sharpshooters, claims that "For military extreme long-range anti-personnel purposes, the .338 Lapua is king. Even the .50BMG falls short. (Do to accuracy problems with current ammo)." The .338 Lapua round simply has what is called a better bullet coefficient, it produces less drag as it travels through the air.

With a 50-caliber rifle it is possible for an extremely skilled and lucky marksman to hit a target at 1,800 meters (versus 1,500 meters plus for the .338 Lapua), though most marksmen say that the effective range for any of these guns is around 1,000 meters.

The worst abuse that 60 Minutes focused on was the Branch Davidians in Waco in 1993 having a 50-caliber gun. Yet, no one was harmed with the gun, and the Davidians surely had many other weapons. 60 Minutes also tried to scare people with incendiary and explosive ammunition, but the ammunition discussed is already illegal.

Fighting terrorism is a noble cause, but the laws we pass must have some real link to solving the problem. Absent that, many will think that 60 Minutes and gun-control groups are simply using terrorism as an excuse to promote rules that he previously pushed. Making it difficult for law-abiding Americans to own guns should not be the only accomplishment of new laws.

— John Lott, a resident scholar at the American Enterprise Institute, is the author of The Bias Against Guns and More Guns, Less Crime.
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« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2005, 03:49:01 PM »
It's too bad that there aren't more level headed people in this country like this man. :D
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« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2005, 03:50:19 PM »
The one fault I see with this article it gives the anti's a other caliber to target!~  :x  But then Lott though he is on our side is not known for good judgement or he would have never got caught using suspect info in one of his articles. As far as I am concerned his rep over that is tarnished and the NRA should find a new Spokesman.  The STUPID arguement that terrorist can get guns here is so stupid it is beyond imagination. They have more ways to get them in places other than this county  with out the legal hassles or the other problems of getting them illegally. smuggleing them in is no big issue either if they cannot stop drugs coming in guns are no big issue. Just a other phoney excuse by the gun grabbers.  :x
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« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2005, 06:12:53 PM »
Please explain. I've never heard of this supposed article in which Lott used questionable data. Can you elaborate?


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« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2005, 07:05:00 PM »
I'd like to comment on this article just a little.  I truly appreciate how Lott tries to open up the minds of close minded liberals to the truth.  But I've got to agree with Jim on one point.  He's not too particular about his sources.

For example - Incendiary ammunition is not illegal except in a few states. I can order it from any number of catalogs and buy it at any gun show.  

Second example - Using the information from a public Sniper forum where ANYONE can claim to be an expert on the .50BMG was probably not the best choice to support his points.

There is a GREAT deal of truth in what Lott says.  I support his theories on gun control.  BUT - I think he is becoming more of a propaganda machine.


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« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2005, 07:13:27 PM »
this is just part of a article about Lott found on the web if you do a search you will see he is tarnished and not a good poster boy for us gun owners. here is basically what he is accused of:

Now, four years later, Lott--currently a "scholar" at the American Enterprise Institute, another body heavily underwritten by the Olin Foundation--is in real academic hot water. He stands accused not just of abuse of statistics, but of refusing to admit that he made a critical mistake, and of actually fabricating research claims to cover his error. Amazingly, he also recently confirmed that he had created a fake online persona to prop up his reputation and hammer his critics.
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« Reply #6 on: January 31, 2005, 06:56:48 AM »
Accused is not the same as guilty. I'm still waiting on proof or at least a creditable source for such.


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« Reply #7 on: January 31, 2005, 10:54:51 AM »
Well GB if you want to do a search a lot of info out there to pick and choose from.  Just type in John Lott I cannot remember when I read it but I did read one where he admitted to some of this stuff. No matter what as we have seen in politics these days unless you are perfectly clean the oposition will drag out your laundry. At the Time I was ticked off as the NRA found the anti gun author Bellisaries ( Spelling) wrong then this info about Lott came out. They kind of cancelled each other out.  I am just saying I think the gun lobby could have a better spokesperson. Jim
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