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Offline Lawdog

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Rod For Flipping??
« on: October 31, 2004, 11:26:08 AM »
Going to break down and get a really good one and am looking for suggestions.  Also what speed reel do you recommend?  Make and models suggestions are even better.  Lawdog
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« Reply #1 on: October 31, 2004, 11:56:46 AM »
im no expert on a rod, nor am i an expert about reels, but I like a faster ratio for bass, just b/c its less work for me  :lol: but i think for justs flipping either a 5.2:1 or slower would probably make you fish it slower, and cause more bites......all about the patience factor
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« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2004, 02:09:10 PM »
Lawdog,
    what you call flipping today, we called "Dabbling" back in the late fifties/early sixtys.  We would flip a gig/worm/spinner bait around the edge of a brush pile, dock, or other cover.  If you didn't get a hit, then you would flip right in the middle and kinda yo-yo the bait.  In those days the rods were custom made. (Some even used cane poles) Reels made no difference, they were just there to hold the extra line, normally 17-30 pound test depending on time of year and where you were fishing.  The reel wasn't used to recover the line and bring the fish in, this was accomplished by pulling the line from the first guide to the handle where you were holding the rod, then repeated as often as necessary.  When the fish was finally boated, you had a wad of line pretty much like a fly fisherman.

     That's your history lesson for today, now to try to answer your question.  I personally think the rod is most important in flipping, it has to have the backbone to allow you to horse a big fish out of cover.  I would prefer a one piece 6 1/2-7 foot rod.  I like one stiff enough that I can use it for a pool cue if I decide to quit fishing.  don't buy one with a pistol grip handle.  A long straight handle with the reel seat in the middle of the handle or forward of center handle is best.  Thats for leverage and balance.  I recommend the smallest reel that is capable of handling the size line (s) you will be using.  Something like the old ABU 500.  There are several others on the market today in that size.  Remember, you are flipping, not casting, 25-30 yards of line is enough on the reel.  On some larger reels you may need to use a filler line and then tie your actual fishing line on to fill the reel for better flipping.

     Hope that helps.

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« Reply #3 on: November 01, 2004, 03:13:50 PM »
Flipping or pitching is one technique that we just don't get a lot of experience with in this part of the country.  On these mountain lakes, it's just not practical like it is further south and west where the lakes are shallower and present more opportunity.  

That said, I do own a flipping stick that I use when we are in Florida or Alabama.  Mine is a 7'6" Heavy Lews with the telescoping handle.  I'd prefer a solid rod without the telescoping handle, but a 7'6" won't go in my rod box.

As far as the reel goes, I agree with the above, the 5000 series ABU's are great for flipping.  I do however like the ones with the button on the side for flipping.  The ones with the thumb cast bar offer too much of a chance of accidentally tripping the reel when flipping.  I know that's not conventional wisdom, but it's mine.  :)

I agree that the reel doesn't make a whole lot of difference, but you need one that's stout.

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« Reply #4 on: November 03, 2004, 11:55:03 AM »
Skipper,  THanks for the correction.  I did mean to say ABU 5000.

I lived (and died) fishing tournaments dabbling.  The southern lakes are great for that style of fishing.  Most are just flooded wooded areas, maybe a few boat channels cut to allow you to get from point a to point b.  Some of the areas I fished had more cover and stickup than I had in the areas I deer hunted.

It's a productive way of fishing and the thrill of hanging a big bass on 8-10 feet of line in the middle of a brush pile is can't be matched.  I've caught 10-12 pound strippers several times, boy thats a charge.  Like having a mule on the other end of the line.

You know what they say about fishermen.......a jerk on one of the line waiting for a jerk on the other.  That's flipping!

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« Reply #5 on: November 29, 2004, 02:55:21 AM »
We're just too deep around here to do much flipping.  5 feet off the bank here is usually 10 feet deep.  I was moderating a forum once with Doug Hanon and we got into a little argument over it being possible to catch big fish deeper than 15 feet.  At the time, I'd been doing well in some tournaments at night fishing 30+ feet deep.  I half heartedly poked fun at Doug telling him that his Florida Bass didn't have to option of going deeper than 12 feet most of the time unless they could dredge their own hole.

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« Reply #6 on: December 23, 2004, 04:25:22 PM »
For a flipping stick, I would go with either a 7 ft. or 7-6 ft. rod depending on personal preference and type of cover you are fishing.  Personally, I have one of each that way i can use the longer rod when I'm a little farther away from isolated rocks or stumps.  When I am up in real close though I use my 7 ft. so that i don't have my rod tip hitting the bank.  As far as models, I would look at the Team Diawa rods.  I have owned several and they are top notch.  There is also a company called Quarrow rods, i don't know how available they would be to you out in Cali. With reels, I have to disagree with some of the previous posts.  The reel is in INTEGRAL part of a good flipping setup.  Above all, you want a real that is very smooth, something with a lot of ball bearings.  The centrifical cast control is also a nice feature.  Reels with faster gear ratios (6.2:1) are better suited for flipping because they allow you to take up slack line when that big one hits the bait as soon as it hits the water.  I would stay away from any of the old style Abu reels.  They are simply too heavy for flipping all day.  Theses reels will leave you with a sore arm and wrist by lunch time.  I would look for a low profile reel (Pinnacle, Diawa, Shimano).

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Flippin stick.......
« Reply #7 on: January 29, 2005, 10:11:59 PM »
Lawdog, Check out Lamiglas Xtf 806 (8' flippin stick) or a lamiglas
xft 766 ( 7'6 flippin stick).... Ive got both  awesome rods... pair them up with an shimano curado 201 lefthanded model 6:3.1 ratio reel. I do a ton a fishing on the CA delta. Match your reels with 50lb powerpro braid. Check out Westernbass.com. Good luck.........RYE

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« Reply #8 on: January 30, 2005, 01:14:02 PM »
I would stay away from the braided line unless you are using one of the glass rods mentioned.  Any flipping stick with some backbone to it will pull the bait right out of the fishes mouth on the hook set.  This is caused by the zero line stretch in the braids..good for some things, not so good for others.

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braid.......
« Reply #9 on: January 31, 2005, 09:35:48 PM »
Not to be argumentative but all but a handful of the pros use braid to flip.
Dee thomas who really got flippin a mainstream technigue uses braid. Myself I've yet to pull a hook lose on a fish with braid, sides its got awesome sensitivity...... Respectfully, RYE

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Re: braid.......
« Reply #10 on: February 01, 2005, 01:23:33 PM »
Quote from: RYE_TYLER
Not to be argumentative but all but a handful of the pros use braid to flip.
Dee thomas who really got flippin a mainstream technigue uses braid. Myself I've yet to pull a hook lose on a fish with braid, sides its got awesome sensitivity...... Respectfully, RYE


Got to agree with you on this.  Very sensitive.  Lawdog
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