Author Topic: Are the Remington Ultra Magnums going to last on the market? (Read 1904 times)

WJM · « **on:** December 04, 2004, 04:17:58 PM »

OK, I bought a 338 Remington Ultra Mag. It was a new BDL with a 26" barrel "enhanced" with nice engraving, very nice wood. It was store inventory as they have dropped the 338 RUM in BDL. Mayby iron sights are not consistant with in a high vel, long range gun, BUT I fell in love with it. I did buy about 60 rounds of ammo and I have had a small commercial handloader load about 200 rounds for me at at regular 338 Winchester Mag energy levels, so I will have about 260 brass to have reloaded. I do see that Federal added 2 more 338 RUM loadings, bringing their total loading to 4. My question is, will the 338 RUM survive as a commercial round? RUM (full length) in general? I think the 300 RUM has a much better chance to survive and it's brass can be formed into 338 RUM (must to slightly shortened though) so I probably will be OK.

KYsquirrelsniper · « **Reply #1 on:** December 04, 2004, 05:12:08 PM »

I bought a 700 LSS in 300 RUM just as soon as they started getting into the gun shops, and in my area the 300 RUM seems to be doing pretty well, as I personally know several people who're using them. I thought the 7mm RUM would do well around here too, but I don't know of anyone that's using the 7mm RUM. I don't know of anyone using a 338 or 375 RUM either, but considering that everyone around here is just using the rifles for whitetail, I can easily see why the bigger bores might not sell very well in my area.

JPSaxMan · « **Reply #2 on:** December 05, 2004, 02:53:46 PM »

The RUM and the RSUM lines seem to be quite popular in this day in age and I think will last. But...who knows.....

Graybeard · « **Reply #3 on:** December 05, 2004, 04:04:39 PM »

I seriously doubt it. Ten or fifteen years from now no one will be chambering rifles for them. They will have run their course and the next new wave of "must have" cartridges will have replaced them. The magazine writers will be touting the new cartridges and telling you how bad the supers are. I suspect the short fat rounds will also go the same way.

Fifty years from now if we are still allowed to own guns the .30-06 and .270 Winchester along with perhaps the 7 MM Rem. Mag and .300 Win. Mag will still be at the top of the heap in ammo sales and die sales. The old war horse .45-70 will be selling better than any of the super duper long range pooper magnums now so highly thought of.

safetysheriff · « **Reply #4 on:** December 06, 2004, 07:17:07 AM »

Graybeard,

I'm guessing that 50 years from now, due to terrorists and the peoples' frustrations with the liberals in many areas of government, that we'll be in an era where guns will be allowed -- again. If we get attacked in the next couple years they'll blame Bush, or whoever, and the voters may go whacky voting Demo-crap again. But it won't be too, too long before that goes full circle either, I'd guess. The terrorists and the right-to-carry laws are both interacting, along with recent Demo-crap defeats, to work toward a more conservative posture......I'd think. We'll see how reactive the people are to any further problems we have with terrorists on our own soil. I hope it doesn't happen; but it's hard to look for God's protection on our nation which commits so many misdeeds!

Take care,

SS'

roper · « **Reply #5 on:** December 06, 2004, 10:37:46 AM »

I remember when the 300win mag came out one thing was always said that round will never make it. I think the ultra's will be around alot longer than Rem short mag. I've got a 300rum and kind of like it as well as the 300wsm. I've heard good things about the 7 and 338rum. As we get better bullets and powder that will limit us more I think than caliber. I think the 338rum has the best chance to be here in 50yrs. There are too many 30 cal out and sure hope the 300wsm is around. If Rem comes out with the wsm line that's the end of their short mag and I think thats going to happen.

varmit_master · « **Reply #6 on:** December 11, 2004, 02:33:44 AM »

Hi i think the the 300 U mag and the 338 U mag will be around i dont think the Rem SAUM will be around if i got another 30 cal it would be a 300 U mag i watch Chiristenson Arms hunting show and the owner uses a 338 U mag on every thing from Brown bear to pigs to deer i think they will be around because if you hand load you can work up some good load VM

NYH1 · « **Reply #7 on:** December 11, 2004, 10:09:26 AM »

I think the Remington 300 Ultra Mag. and even the 7mm Ultra Mag. will be around for quite awhile. Most people use them because they shoot so flat. Their especially good for hunting out west when really long shots are the norm.

I'm not really sure about the 338 or 375 Ultra Mags. The 338 Win. Mag. has been the standard "griz/brown bear" cartridge by which all other's are measured. It seems to work great. I don't know why someone would want to use a gun/cartridge combo that has all the recoil and blast of the 338 and 375 Ultra Mag. if you don't need it.

I don't think the Remington "Short-Action Ultra Mags." (7mm Rem. SA UM and 300 SA UM) will last that long. There are so many other "deer" rounds out there that are extremely well established I just don't think the "SA UM's" will make it. Even the "elk hunter" have cartridges that work great.

I think the "300 Winchester Short Mag." will be around for awhile. It seems to work really good and is extremely accurate.

Its like anything else, its the "baby boomer's" that are buying a lot of the things we have now a days. Motorcycles, boats, motor homes, camps, gun's you name it.....their the ones buying it! Their approaching or are at retirement age and have the expendable income to buy the "latest and greatest" things. So will see!

varmit_master · « **Reply #8 on:** December 11, 2004, 07:54:31 PM »

Hi i think the 338 U mag will be around for a while i think it is a better cal than the 338 win mag it shoots flatter more nock down !

338 Win Mag 250gr Hornady SP 2657 fps
338 U Mag 250gr Hornady SP 2964 fps
and that is out of the New Hodgdon's reloading manual and both guns had a 24 inch barrels if i was going to buy one of the 2 i now wjick one i would get VM

msorenso · « **Reply #9 on:** January 30, 2005, 06:17:32 AM »

A person never knows and with that I still purchased a 338 rum as well as a 375 rum. I still plan to purchase the 300 rum and 7mm rum. I felt that if I eventually have to hand load then so be it. To me the ultra was worth the risk. Even though many argue.

JPSaxMan · « **Reply #10 on:** January 30, 2005, 06:33:38 AM »

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A person never knows and with that I still purchased a 338 rum as well as a 375 rum. I still plan to purchase the 300 rum and 7mm rum. I felt that if I eventually have to hand load then so be it. To me the ultra was worth the risk. Even though many argue.

I don't think ya got that much to lose. If they're kept in production, they'll prolly be great hunting guns. If not, years down the road (and of course this is beyond the years of GB :wink: ) those guns will be worth as much as a Holland and Holland (that'd be nice :roll: ).

msorenso · « **Reply #11 on:** January 30, 2005, 08:01:55 AM »

That would be sweet. To bad even though I am 27 I am sure I will be long forgotten about as well.

Graybeard · « **Reply #12 on:** January 30, 2005, 08:28:40 AM »

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I don't think ya got that much to lose. If they're kept in production, they'll prolly be great hunting guns. If not, years down the road (and of course this is beyond the years of GB ) those guns will be worth as much as a Holland and Holland (that'd be nice

I'm thinking this bit of prophecy will prove no more accurate than the one you made early in this thread. The hand writing is already showing on the wall. Remington is now chambering the WSM rounds. Their RSAUM rounds will be allowed to die likely in less than five years, replaced completely by the WSM rounds. Which too may go over the longer haul.

Remington bolt guns ever being collector items sought after as H&R guns are. I hope you are making a joke cuz that's what it is.

Already Remington is bringing back the .338 WM and .375 H&H due to lack of sales for it's RUM chamberings in this bore diameter. They are still trying to hold out on the RUMs too but I'd say in five years these will be gone and only the .300 RUM will be left. It may hold on awhile longer just because it's a .30 caliber. But remember that Remington has no other .30s with it's name on them that are still active.

jvs · « **Reply #13 on:** January 30, 2005, 09:03:47 AM »

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OK, I bought a 338 Remington Ultra Mag. It was a new BDL with a 26" barrel "enhanced" with nice engraving, very nice wood. It was store inventory as they have dropped the 338 RUM in BDL. Mayby iron sights are not consistant with in a high vel, long range gun, BUT I fell in love with it. I did buy about 60 rounds of ammo and I have had a small commercial handloader load about 200 rounds for me at at regular 338 Winchester Mag energy levels, so I will have about 260 brass to have reloaded. I do see that Federal added 2 more 338 RUM loadings, bringing their total loading to 4. My question is, will the 338 RUM survive as a commercial round? RUM (full length) in general? I think the 300 RUM has a much better chance to survive and it's brass can be formed into 338 RUM (must to slightly shortened though) so I probably will be OK.

If I were you, I'd get a few hundred more empty casings, make up a round that works for your rifle and not worry about anything else.

If you bought the rifle with the hopes of it being a collectors item years from now instead of having a practical use for it, you may be in for a let down. On the other hand, if you bought it to use, then use it. If it appreciates you are ahead. One thing is sure, it will always be worth something to somebody. Few modern models will end up being sought after by future buyers, although the value of most rifles rise with every price increase. Since I've been buying firearms every model year has had a price increase, hence the value of my USED rifles have also risen.

My opinion is that those exotic calibers will fall by the wayside and possibly resurface in the future. Until then, use it, take care of it and keep your fingers crossed. Just keep a suspecting eye on those Manufacturer Market Makers that hype the new stuff.

I probably deny myself some good experiences by looking at it like that, but at least I don't have a Gun Cabinet full of stuff I don't use because it's too expensive to shoot or no ammo is available for it.

JPSaxMan · « **Reply #14 on:** January 30, 2005, 10:03:06 AM »

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I don't think ya got that much to lose. If they're kept in production, they'll prolly be great hunting guns. If not, years down the road (and of course this is beyond the years of GB ) those guns will be worth as much as a Holland and Holland (that'd be nice

I'm thinking this bit of prophecy will prove no more accurate than the one you made early in this thread. The hand writing is already showing on the wall. Remington is now chambering the WSM rounds. Their RSAUM rounds will be allowed to die likely in less than five years, replaced completely by the WSM rounds. Which too may go over the longer haul.

Remington bolt guns ever being collector items sought after as H&R guns are. I hope you are making a joke cuz that's what it is.

Already Remington is bringing back the .338 WM and .375 H&H due to lack of sales for it's RUM chamberings in this bore diameter. They are still trying to hold out on the RUMs too but I'd say in five years these will be gone and only the .300 RUM will be left. It may hold on awhile longer just because it's a .30 caliber. But remember that Remington has no other .30s with it's name on them that are still active.

Well, whose to say you're right? I could be wrong...you could be as well. We can't predict the future. Tomorrow if Winchester goes bankrupt and goes out of business, the RUM's will make a comeback (not that they need to, I don't think they're doing that poorly yet). I mighta been exaggerating bout the value of a discontinued RUM gun. Nice to dream tho :grin: .

Graybeard · « **Reply #15 on:** January 30, 2005, 10:16:17 AM »

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Well, whose to say you're right?

No one. :-D

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I could be wrong...you could be as well.

Ya got that right.

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We can't predict the future.

Sure we can. Some people even get rich doing it. Ya know what? They aren't any better at it than me and you. They just have more people fooled. :eek:

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Tomorrow if Winchester goes bankrupt and goes out of business, the RUM's will make a comeback (not that they need to, I don't think they're doing that poorly yet). I mighta been exaggerating bout the value of a discontinued RUM gun. Nice to dream tho

Sure we all have to dream.

JPSaxMan · « **Reply #16 on:** January 30, 2005, 11:13:24 AM »

Yea, Miss Cleo had her fun with that tarot card bull :-D .

Lawdog · « **Reply #17 on:** January 30, 2005, 12:21:43 PM »

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I don't think ya got that much to lose. If they're kept in production, they'll prolly be great hunting guns. If not, years down the road (and of course this is beyond the years of GB ) those guns will be worth as much as a Holland and Holland (that'd be nice

I'm thinking this bit of prophecy will prove no more accurate than the one you made early in this thread. The hand writing is already showing on the wall. Remington is now chambering the WSM rounds. Their RSAUM rounds will be allowed to die likely in less than five years, replaced completely by the WSM rounds. Which too may go over the longer haul.

Remington bolt guns ever being collector items sought after as H&R guns are. I hope you are making a joke cuz that's what it is.

Already Remington is bringing back the .338 WM and .375 H&H due to lack of sales for it's RUM chamberings in this bore diameter. They are still trying to hold out on the RUMs too but I'd say in five years these will be gone and only the .300 RUM will be left. It may hold on awhile longer just because it's a .30 caliber. But remember that Remington has no other .30s with it's name on them that are still active.

Well, whose to say you're right? I could be wrong...you could be as well. We can't predict the future. Tomorrow if Winchester goes bankrupt and goes out of business, the RUM's will make a comeback (not that they need to, I don't think they're doing that poorly yet). I mighta been exaggerating bout the value of a discontinued RUM gun. Nice to dream tho :grin: .

:eek: On this Graybeard and I agree completely. :eek: With Remington cutting the models available for the .338 and the .375 RUM's to one model I don't see any future for these two at all. As for the 7mm and .300 RUM's they will stick for a while longer but they too will expire someday. Just too much of a good thing. They were only created so Remington could say they equaled or bettered the offerings from Weatherby. Every year Remington is cutting back on models for these two also. Turn out the lights, Elvis has left the building. Lawdog

Will_C · « **Reply #18 on:** January 30, 2005, 01:31:30 PM »

I agree with Lawdog and GB. Rifles like the Ultras also have limited market appeal, and I suspect that the majority of people that want one have already bought theirs. I know it is a small sampling, but among folks I know, the ones that have the need for a "hot" magnum have one; when they add to their collections, it is another .270, .30-06, 7mm-08, etc. that offers them something their other rifles don't (lighter weight, different make to try, etc.) Only my thoughts!
Will

msorenso · « **Reply #19 on:** January 31, 2005, 02:20:48 AM »

Will,
you are right on the money. That is the reason I bought mine. They are pumped up version of other cartridges which makes them a little exotic and that why I bought the two I have, and plan to buy 2 more. I just hope they keep making the ammo for awhile. :grin:

James B · « **Reply #20 on:** January 31, 2005, 05:26:03 PM »

I think the 300 Ultra Mag will survive but I really don't think the others will. The 7 ultra is about obsolete already and I don't see a market for the others. To me they are to big for NA game and not really accepted by African hunters. They will always have a small following but Remington is a bean counter outfit and are great for dumping their own creations.

msorenso · « **Reply #21 on:** February 01, 2005, 02:48:07 AM »

YEAH YOU ARE PROBABLY RIGHT. BUT AS LONG AS I CAN STILL GET BRASS FOR THEM IN THE FUTURE I WILL HAVE NO PROBLEMS HAND LOADING THEM. I GUESS THE BIG QUESTION I DO NOT UNDERSTAND AND PLEASE ANYONE HELP ME;IS WHY THE ULTRA MAG DID NOT TAKE OFF BETTER THAN THE WSM'S? AT LEAST THE ULTRAS HAVE ADDED POWER. DIDN'T REALIZE IT WAS SUCH A PAIN TO EJECT A LONGER cartirage IN A BOLT ACTION. THAT IS THE ONLY ADDED BENEFIT THAT I SEE. IF ANYONE NEEDS TO EDUCATE ME LET ME HAVE IT.

Lawdog · « **Reply #22 on:** February 01, 2005, 11:28:08 AM »

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YEAH YOU ARE PROBABLY RIGHT. BUT AS LONG AS I CAN STILL GET BRASS FOR THEM IN THE FUTURE I WILL HAVE NO PROBLEMS HAND LOADING THEM. I GUESS THE BIG QUESTION I DO NOT UNDERSTAND AND PLEASE ANYONE HELP ME;IS WHY THE ULTRA MAG DID NOT TAKE OFF BETTER THAN THE WSM'S? AT LEAST THE ULTRAS HAVE ADDED POWER. DIDN'T REALIZE IT WAS SUCH A PAIN TO EJECT A LONGER cartirage IN A BOLT ACTION. THAT IS THE ONLY ADDED BENEFIT THAT I SEE. IF ANYONE NEEDS TO EDUCATE ME LET ME HAVE IT.

Because it is just to much of a good thing. By that I mean the vast majority of shooters cant take the recoil of .30 caliber magnums much over that given by the old .300 Winchester Magnum. I know a few that cant take the recoil of my Deluxe Mark V .300 Weatherby. Seeing that Remingtons claim for the .300 RUM was that it bettered or at least equaled the .300 Weatherby Magnum. Sure a number of shooters wanted the added power of a magnum cartridge, just not that much power. The .300 WSM equals the .300 Win. Mag. with slightly less recoil and better accuracy. As already stated the RSAUM line was just a day late and a dollar short. Lawdog

msorenso · « **Reply #23 on:** February 02, 2005, 08:47:44 AM »

I hear ya, :grin: I forget how most people are more sencetive to recoil than I am. My 338 ultra isn't that bad as well as my Ultra 375. The ultra 375 snaps you a little but unbearable, no way. It reminds me of a friend 7 years ago we were freshman in college, bought a 7mm mag in a rem 700 bdl. A couple of my freiends shot it and recalled how much it recoiled. Well when it was my chance and was expecting hell to break loose and when it fired, I thought what?!!! you got to be kidding me, it isn't bad at all.

AkRvrrat · « **Reply #24 on:** February 09, 2005, 02:57:55 PM »

You know with the amount of powder these RUM's pack in it and like any high capacity round the future profits are dim. As to extinct who knows. I own a few belted magnums and love them but when the .375RUM came out I had to buy one. I reload for it and found the sweet spot. Living where I do and walking with the bears this caliber should be on the market for ever. Man! this whops em good! Lord knows that man is never satisfied so I expect something else to replace it - probably something high TECH. Thank God for Remington and the .404 Jeffery! hoorah!

msorenso · « **Reply #25 on:** February 10, 2005, 03:34:17 AM »

I have a 338 & 375 rum, have yet to shoot anything with it but, ahhhh I love em. They are great to shoot. Looking to get into reloading as well. Just curious how many reloadings the brass has endoured for you? Also any tips on realoding would be great as well Thanks

AkRvrrat · « **Reply #26 on:** February 10, 2005, 09:11:12 AM »

Well alls I can say with them RUM's is to like in my setting and the big animals around here, I use a true premium bullet. I prefer to use the BARNES 270grn. XLC FB with a tried/accurate/developed load of 94.5grns of IMR4350. Holds together real well and like I mentioned very accurate. Being a nonbelted case you will have no problem setting up your die accordingly. As of yet I am getting thus far 4 shots per brass. Easy round to reload - no belt. I regret not buying the .338RUM - SEEMS like the most effecient round of them all. Alas, where I live their is no room for question - stick to big bullets - that .375RUM is a good carry! Did you ever read on a guide in Alaska some time back named Hal Waugh? He use for back up a .378wthby - forgot the name of his rifle. Well this RUM is pretty much the same stuff his would take down. We don't have the 12 ft. bears anymore but the bloodline still exists - heck some of them bull moose have the same temperment. No such thing as overkill only dead.

Lawdog · « **Reply #27 on:** February 10, 2005, 01:15:11 PM »

AkRvrrat,

When you said, "Easy round to reload - no belt.", what is the problem with the belt? It doesn't cause feeding problems like some rumors floating say so Im curious as to what problems you have had with belted magnums? Lawdog

AkRvrrat · « **Reply #28 on:** February 10, 2005, 02:07:04 PM »

Hey Lawdog - hows it going? My limited years of reloading brass here in my cabin is not action problems as it is sorting out used belted brass. I believe the alarm is not to reload them more than 3x's and as a hunting round reliability is the norm. May be a myth maybe not but I choose to reload them no more than 3x's - now with that 404 Jeffery case life expectancy is far and above that of a belted magnum brass - correct? So I believe therein is the difference - just a fast reply. look foward to your reply.