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« on: March 11, 2005, 11:10:32 AM »
Graybeard, is this anywhere near your neighborhood?

Defendant overpowers deputy, kills 3
Search under way for suspect in Georgia, surrounding states
Friday, March 11, 2005 Posted: 5:04 PM EST (2204 GMT)


Fulton County Superior Court Judge Rowland W. Barnes was killed in court Friday.
     
 
ATLANTA, Georgia (CNN) -- Three people were killed at a downtown courthouse Friday morning after a defendant overpowered a deputy on the way to court then shot a judge and court reporter before killing another deputy while fleeing the building, Atlanta police said.

A search for the suspect, identified by police as Brian Nichols, 33, was under way in Georgia and the neighboring states of Alabama, Tennessee and the Carolinas. Nichols is described as being a black male, 33 years old, about 6 feet, 1 inch tall and weighing 210 pounds.

"We're not going to rest until we have him in custody," said Atlanta Assistant Chief of Police Alan Dreher.

The shootings occurred about 9 a.m. as Nichols was being led into Fulton County Superior Court Judge Rowland W. Barnes' eighth-floor courtroom, Dreher said. Nichols was being retried on rape, false imprisonment and other charges after a first trial last week ended in a hung jury. The second trial began Monday.

Nichols -- who was in custody but was allowed to change from jail scrubs into street clothes, a normal occurrence when defendants face jurors -- apparently struggled with the deputy for the gun and overpowered her, police said.

Sources told CNN the initial overpowering occurred in an elevator.

There were conflicting reports over whether the deputy whose gun was taken was shot. Dreher said she was not, but Jeffrey Salamone, attending trauma surgeon at Grady Memorial Hospital, said she had a gunshot wound to the head.

Doctors at Grady Memorial Hospital said the deputy had a wound on her head consistent with a graze wound from a gunshot, but the bullet did not penetrate her head.

Salamone said she suffered a small bruise on her brain and some fractures around her face. She was in critical condition, but was expected to survive.

Once inside Barnes' courtroom, Nichols held people in the room at bay briefly before shooting Barnes and his court reporter -- both of whom died at the scene, police said.

Nichols then fled the building, where outside he shot a deputy in the abdomen, officials said. The deputy was pronounced dead at the hospital, Salamone said.

Authorities said Nichols tried to hijack at least three vehicles, ending up in a multilevel parking structure for Atlanta's Underground tourist area.

A witness told CNN Nichols took his tow truck at gunpoint outside the courthouse.

The gunman "told me to get out of the truck. I told him he can have the truck. And I walked away," Deronte Franklin said.

A few blocks away, a reporter for The Atlanta Journal-Constitution was beaten and his Honda Accord stolen from a parking garage. Don O'Briant said a man pulled up in an SUV and asked for directions before he pulled a gun, told O'Briant to give up his car keys and get in the trunk of the car.

"I turned to run, and that's when he hit me in the head with his gun," O'Briant said.

Signs over Atlanta highways said police were looking for a green Honda Accord with a Georgia license plate 6584YN.

Atlanta police said they have set up a tip line at 404-730-7983 and 404-730-7984.

Courthouse security
Some said the shooting was predictable given the security lapses at the courthouse.

"The security in the Fulton County Courthouse, the way they deal with prisoners, is absolutely atrocious," attorney Dennis Scheib told CNN. "I said this was going to happen."

Scheib said deputies outside the courthouse told him that a knife-like weapon was discovered in Nichols' boot last week.

Fulton County State Court Judge Craig Schwall, however, described security at the courthouse as "phenomenal." Judges have their own private elevator, accessible only by key card, he said. Their chambers are heavily secured, he said, and they and other court officials have their own secure parking garage.

"I think that, as public servants, we all have to be mindful of these risks," Schwall said.

Well-respected judge
Barnes was "extremely highly thought of in the legal community," attorney B.J. Bernstein told CNN. The judge presided over both civil and criminal cases.

"The only thing I can imagine is that someone would have had to have moved very quickly and suddenly to catch one of the deputies off guard in order to remove his weapon," she said.

Barnes heard the case of Dany Heatley of the Atlanta Thrashers, who lost control of his Ferrari and drove into a brick-and-concrete post while driving in the city in September 2003. His passenger, Dan Snyder, 25, was critically injured and died a few days later. Heatley pleaded guilty to charges including second-degree vehicular homicide and speeding.

Last month, Barnes made headlines when he ordered a 34-year-old woman, who had seven children and pleaded guilty to killing the eighth, a newborn, to undergo sterilization.

He was a vocal advocate of Fulton County's supervised rehabilitation clinics, an alternative for jail for repeat offenders with drug addictions. Barnes touted the program for its cost-effectiveness.

A juror in Nichols' trial told CNN that Barnes was kind, and said Nichols always seemed to be respectful to him.

The juror said Nichols made the jury nervous by staring at them.

CNN's Ninette Sosa and Randi Kaye contributed to this report.
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« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2005, 11:19:11 AM »
I'm about 100 miles from Atlanta, maybe a bit more.


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« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2005, 11:48:17 AM »
:agree:
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« Reply #3 on: March 12, 2005, 03:47:48 AM »
There's a lot of monday morning quarterbacking going on in this incident, but you've got to wonder how a 5'0" woman deputy was allowed to be alone with a 6'1" 210lb former linebacker in the courthouse.  Also it took the cops something like 12 hours to find the carjacked car that was a floor or two down in the same parking garage from where it was stolen.  

Just more evidence that the police can't really protect us from the bad guys, but are rather (and meant to be) an investigatory agency.  Protection has to come from the people themselves.

Even though the guy stole a deputy's gun, one of the "experts" last night on TV couldn't help herself from pointing out that this incident happened in a part of the country where it is too easy to get handguns and that there might be two guns involved.  The anti-gun crowd is too ignorant to ever make any sense.

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« Reply #4 on: March 12, 2005, 04:49:10 AM »
I called my mother, and they are pretending it didn't even happen (They live 26 miles south of Atlanta).  She said that the guy carjacked 3 cars or something like that.


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« Reply #5 on: March 12, 2005, 05:06:31 AM »
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Even though the guy stole a deputy's gun, one of the "experts" last night on TV couldn't help herself from pointing out that this incident happened in a part of the country where it is too easy to get handguns and that there might be two guns involved.  The anti-gun crowd is too ignorant to ever make any sense.


"Expert" at what, being a moron???? If that's the case, she's definitely good at it!!!
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« Reply #6 on: March 12, 2005, 05:08:56 AM »
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Even though the guy stole a deputy's gun, one of the "experts" last night on TV couldn't help herself from pointing out that this incident happened in a part of the country where it is too easy to get handguns and that there might be two guns involved.  The anti-gun crowd is too ignorant to ever make any sense.


"Expert" at what, being a moron???? If that's the case, she's definitely good at it!!!


Must be. Seems like there definetely isn't a shortage of them experts today.  :)  :-D   :D
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« Reply #7 on: March 12, 2005, 11:57:48 AM »
Wife was just saying they caught the guy, she read it in the news. Seems he broke into some gals apartment and told her if she did what she was told he woundent kill her. Guess the guy fell asleep and she got out of the apt. and called the police. When he found out that he was surrounded he gave up under a "White Flag". a Hail of bullets would have cut court costs!!! Hope the gal gets the $60,000 reward they offered for the info on his capture.

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« Reply #8 on: March 12, 2005, 12:33:53 PM »
Yea I hope so too. I also hope he didn't do anything to her (if you get my drift). Pretty stupid of him to fall asleep, you'd think he'd have enough adrenaline from the event to keep him awake. Then again, I guess you can't stay awake forever. I hope he gets what's coming to him. No one deserves the right to take a human life. Non-whatsoever. Never mind the three that he took.  :D
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« Reply #9 on: March 13, 2005, 05:52:46 AM »
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Even though the guy stole a deputy's gun, one of the "experts" last night on TV couldn't help herself from pointing out that this incident happened in a part of the country where it is too easy to get handguns and that there might be two guns involved.


Must be nice to be so blind to reality.  :?
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« Reply #10 on: March 13, 2005, 06:04:54 AM »
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Even though the guy stole a deputy's gun, one of the "experts" last night on TV couldn't help herself from pointing out that this incident happened in a part of the country where it is too easy to get handguns and that there might be two guns involved.


Must be nice to be so blind to reality.  :?


Does the phrase, "Ignorance is bliss" mean anything to you?  :)  :-D  :D
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« Reply #11 on: March 13, 2005, 12:40:10 PM »
Leave it to a Knee-jerk Liberal media mouth to take a tragedy and turn it into a political statement, totally oblivious to the facts.  This kind of idle speculation WITHOUT any evidence makes my blood pressure go thru the roof.  Two guns?  Based on what?  Did the talking head ever think maybe the woman was incapable of handling a violent criminal?  Nah, probably not.  :x

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« Reply #12 on: March 14, 2005, 05:46:23 AM »
We had an incident like this happen back in the mid 1980's. A guy named Billy Blake got a sheriff Deputy's gun and shot two deputy's killing one of them!

The deputy's were moving three inmates to court. They had the three of them handcuff in single file with two sets of handcuffs, meaning the first and last guys had one free hand. Billy Blake was one of the guys with one free hand. I can't recall if the shooting happened inside or outside the courthouse. I was like 10 or 11 years old at the time. There is probably someone out there that remembers it better then I do. I remember when it happened, I couldn't believe it.

Now the Onondaga County Sheriff's transport inmates with their hands either handcuffed behind their back or in front of their body but with a chain around their waist so they can't move them very far. And if they do have inmates connected with one another its with a chain and not handcuffs!

Last time I heard the New York State Trooper's handcuff people with their hands behind their back and their palms facing away from one another so they can put them together.

From what I have seen, the Sheriff's and Trooper's and even our City Police keep a few officer's, Deputy's or Trooper's around an inmate unless the inmate is in a cell of some sort.

I just feel terrible for the families of the victims!
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« Reply #13 on: March 14, 2005, 11:55:45 AM »
It would be easy to hang this whole mess on the female officer, who was totally out of her class transporting an ex-fullback who outweighed her close to 2-1, but it's not her fault.  This is a procedural screwup, and one of the prosecutors at the courthouse said he had been lobbying for better security measures for years.  Whoever set the policy is at fault here, not the copchick.  I can't believe there was a weapon allowed anywhere near this guy, he apparently wasn't even restrained properly.  I got into LE in 1983, and even then, guns were locked up before anyone went into the cellblocks.  How did this happen?  One thing for sure, there will be a full investigation, and somebody in the Sheriff's office is going to get hung out to dry over it.  What a shame people have to keep dying over the lessons we learned 25 years ago...... :x
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