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Offline Tad Houston

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« on: February 18, 2005, 09:04:00 AM »
When loading for the first time on a new barrel, should i seat the bullet at the lands or start somewhere off the lands?    Thanks- Tad

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OFF THE LANDS
« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2005, 09:28:30 AM »
I'm not sure it's isn't flat dangerous to seat touching the lands.  I've read some target shooters shooters do it. but I wouldn't.  You better check this out pretty good.

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« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2005, 12:39:45 PM »
Tad  Why do you want to seat the bullet on the lands?  Most loading guides will recommend seating off the lands .025 or so and I wouldn't violate that.  With a brand new barrel it's important to clean metal deposits frequently,  like after every couple shots at first.  I like to learn a new gun's likes and dislikes on bullet weight/brand/ type and powder preference before messing with seating depth.
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« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2005, 02:32:01 PM »
It's not that i want to seat them on the lands, i just asked for advice about where to seat them. I just hear so many guys talk about "seating the bullet to touch the rifling" Thought i'd ask.  .025 sounds like good advice- Thanks clodbuster.  :D

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« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2005, 03:52:58 PM »
Seating the bullet touching the lands changes the pressure curve of the load.  With a gap, The bullet overcomes inertia and frees itself from the neck at a specific point in the pressure curve.  It starts to move, pressure increases as it moves, it engraves on the lands still in motion, pressure is still building and reaches its peak when the bullet is a few inches down the tube. where it reaches max.  If the bullet is seated in to the lands, it has to overcome neck tension plus the resistance of the lands to overcome inertia.  This will create a sharper and higher pressure rise and change the curve and also the resultant barrel vibration.  A short jump to the lands will not allow the bullet to tip or loose whatever concentricity the bullet has from the neck. the bullet striking the lands will set up it's own vibration wave. but it is minor to other stresses.  Bottom line, a small jump will cause less barrel modulation. IMHO.   JB

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« Reply #5 on: February 18, 2005, 04:05:41 PM »
So JB, IYHO, where's the best place to start on a new barrel for load development, or does it matter? I have read some places one tenth of an inch. I dont get to the range much, so i would like to make it count.

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« Reply #6 on: February 18, 2005, 04:56:22 PM »
In my copy of Precision shooting reloading guide. Dan Hackett talks about messing up some development loads He started or wanted to start with the bullet .020" off the rifling and in error were .050 and bingo (his words) a quarter in. qroup.  He assumed that .025 would give him the best results.  that was wrong.  he found what the barrel liked by chance and it proved to him to take conventional wisdom with more than a grain of salt.  Benchrest loaders start at .010 off the rifling. JB

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« Reply #7 on: February 18, 2005, 05:12:19 PM »
cast bullets you can seat to have the bullet touching the rifling, jacketed need some free travel.

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« Reply #8 on: February 18, 2005, 07:03:21 PM »
I have a home-made seating depth gauge and I generally try to seat a bullet .010 to .030 off the lands.  Other things come into play such as how much magazine length do I have.  I keep a little notebook and when I get a new rifle I try several different bullets in it and see what the maximum length is and then record that in the book and then subtract .010 to .030 from that number to get my starting depth.

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« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2005, 02:36:49 AM »
Tad, if you are loading for your Contender drop an unloaded bullet in the breech and measure to the back of it to make sure you CAN reach the lands.  The throats in most of my six barrels have so much freebore there is no chance of even getting close to the lands except with the heaviest (longest) bullets.  I usually seat until the bullet base is one caliber into the neck.  I have not experimented yet to see if there is a seating depth "sweet spot" for each load.

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« Reply #10 on: February 19, 2005, 08:13:50 AM »
Another caveat is that Barnes recommends seating the x-bullets .050" off of the lands.  This is on page 58 of the Barnes loading manual number 3.

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« Reply #11 on: February 22, 2005, 03:55:20 AM »
When developing a new load I always seat at the reload manual recommended max cartridge lenght to begin with. I then determine the best powder and load. Then if the accuracy does not satisfy me, I then will play with the seating depth.
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