Corelokt does it again

[nomosendero]

Yea, Redhawk, I was in reference to the premium bullet users BEING
ribbed or teased because this Corelokt worked, (the unnecessary baiting)but I have not seen the premium bullet users say this bullet does not work for this type of application. Redhawk, if you look at my post, I said ribbing of pre. bullet users, not ribbing or teasing BY pre. bullet users.Like you say, use what works & it does not bother me if someone wants to use standard bullets all of the time or if their hunting does not call for premium bullets. I use Premium bullets 60-70% of the time for Big Game because it works better for some of my applications.
When I go on a Western hunt, the added cost of Pre. bullets is a very, very small part of the overall expense. I think the gas prices were a little
more of an issue in Oct. when we went to Wyoming than the bullet prices.

[Redhawk1]

Yea, Redhawk, I was in reference to the premium bullet users BEING
ribbed or teased because this Corelokt worked, (the unnecessary baiting)but I have not seen the premium bullet users say this bullet does not work for this type of application. Redhawk, if you look at my post, I said ribbing of pre. bullet users, not ribbing or teasing BY pre. bullet users.Like you say, use what works & it does not bother me if someone wants to use standard bullets all of the time or if their hunting does not call for premium bullets. I use Premium bullets 60-70% of the time for Big Game because it works better for some of my applications.
When I go on a Western hunt, the added cost of Pre. bullets is a very, very small part of the overall expense. I think the gas prices were a little
more of an issue in Oct. when we went to Wyoming than the bullet prices.

Amen brother.  

[rickt300]

In my exoerience here and on other boards it is the (usually) premium bullet crowd giving  "simple cup and core" guys the hard time. I have used several "Premium" designs. I jumped on the X bullet wagon and nearly lost a bull elk due to zero expansion. I chalked it up to it being a new bullet design at the time. Now after watching the bullet turn blue, get grooved and now plastic tipped my confidence of this constantly evolving bullet design is at an all time low. Maybe ten years from now when it looks like they have finalized a design I will try some of them on game again.  I have always used the Partitions for certain applications but had several deer go farther than I thought they would have using Hornady's interlok, this in 6MM. I have the highest regard for the 150 grain .277, the 180 grain and 200 grain  in .308 Partitions. I still feel though that "Premium" bullets are necessary for about 5% of my hunting needs.

[nomosendero]

rickt300
It is good to have the experience to know what your needs are. It sounds that you have a good handle on what you need, & I know what I need to
use & I would say that all is well.
Good shooting!  

[Redhawk1]

rickt300, I understand you points and use what works for you. I use both standard and premium bullet. It depends on what I am hunting and what I expect in performance. I know what works in my guns and how they perform. Is a premium bullet needed for deer, maybe not, but if I went to Canada for a big trophy Whitetail, I want what I know works for me and that would be a premium bullet.

But I don't knock what works for you and you can't argue with success. It all boils down to personal preference.  

[Ramrod]

Funny how I always get bashed by the one or two Barnes Fans out there, but when all the other folks that have not been duped by the premium bullet ads come out and post, they get handled with kid gloves. The Nazi's taught similar tactics too!

[Lawdog]

Funny how I always get bashed by the one or two Barnes Fans out there, but when all the other folks that have not been duped by the premium bullet ads come out and post, they get handled with kid gloves. The Nazi's taught similar tactics too!

Don't believe what 'Ramrod' has to say.  He's still upset that they invented smokeless powder and the newer cartridges that use it.  He just doesn't understand that not everyone hunts the way he does and that everyone doesn't believe the way he does.  One of these days he might actually join the rest of us in the 21 century.  Lawdog
 

[Ramrod]

Well, I have never been a fan of letting technology substitute for hunting skills. Some day, not too far into the future, after the liberals have succeded in banning most modern weapons, people will have to learn to hunt all over again. The long range Weatherby fans are going to starve to death. The guys who are used to seeing a deer's breath comming out of his nostrils in the cool November air, however, will have no problem. You know who I'm talking about, the guys who think a muzzleloader or a shotgun is plenty, and a .223 or .22-250 is way more than enough. Guess which group I belong to.    

[Redhawk1]

Funny how I always get bashed by the one or two Barnes Fans out there, but when all the other folks that have not been duped by the premium bullet ads come out and post, they get handled with kid gloves. The Nazi's taught similar tactics too!

Have you heard, you treat others as you wish to be treated. You always come off as a know it all and then when someone has a different opinion than yours you attack them. What, are we just to lie down and take it? No Sir, not me!

[Redhawk1]

Well, I have never been a fan of letting technology substitute for hunting skills. Some day, not too far into the future, after the liberals have succeded in banning most modern weapons, people will have to learn to hunt all over again. The long range Weatherby fans are going to starve to death. The guys who are used to seeing a deer's breath comming out of his nostrils in the cool November air, however, will have no problem. You know who I'm talking about, the guys who think a muzzleloader or a shotgun is plenty, and a .223 or .22-250 is way more than enough. Guess which group I belong to.    

Just because we use technology, does not mean we substitute it for hunting skills. There is a place for everything and you are finding it hard to adapt in my opinion. No one is knocking you for that, but don't knock us for using technology, or what we choose to use. You seem to be real good at pointing out what you don't think is right or needed. Not everyone does it like you, accept that and move one. Come on, your negativity is getting old and destroying good threads.

As far as forgetting how to hunt, I am an avid bow hunter and harvest deer every year with my bow. You want to talk about up close and personal. No muzzleloader, shotgun or 22-250 needed at all.

[nomosendero]

I thought the Nazi's used full metal jackets & "potatoe mashers". Just wait
until I see my Uncles. I guess they had no idea what they were up against!

And I did not know that the type of bullets indicated our political leanings. Since I use premium bullets in the situations that I feel I should & yet I am
slightly to the right of Atilla the Hun, I don't know where this puts me!  :shock:

This idea that using better equipment is a substitute for hunting skills is
absurb. It could seem that way when observing a rich slob hunter at a
local range but not really because you see the same thing when Joe Average tries to get his 30-30 or 742 to hit a pie plate at 25 yards & says
that is good enough & I have seen that far more. This attitude knows no economic class or type of equipment. No, among serious shooters & I
suspect most who view this thread, when they use custom rifles or premium bullets or high quality scopes, it is because they take their sport
& the animals that they persue seriously, I know I do.
When I was a kid, me & my brothers would buy old Mil. Surplus rifles &
cheap ammo because we had to. Were we better hunters because we had to pass up longer shots. Of course not. Later on when we could afford a
rifle for Varmits, we shot alot of Deer with .223's & fortunately did not lose any although a couple were a little hard to find because of no blood. We used mainly 55 Gr. Corelokts & now for Deer use bigger guns. Does that mean our hunting skills have dropped. No, it means that we observed what could happen if the Deer were angled more than we thought or if we hit even a small limb we knew what would happen, in other words experience taught us to move on before a problem instead of complaining after a problem. Some of my rifles now are precision tools, maybe more than needed, but I remember what it was like when I could not own such weapons.
Now, on our Old Home Place I have a couple of stands that I use for Rifle Season that I can see several trails, from Bow Range to Long Range. Does the fact that I can cover more trails & hence increase my odds make me an inferior hunter to a guy who could sit in the same stand and
be able to cover fewer trails because his rifle was not up to the job? How
bizarre is that ?
Redhawk, like you I try to whack 1 or 2 Deer per year with my Bow in
addition to my muzzleloader, handgun & rifle kills. In my College days
I used a Indian 60# Recurve. I now use a Matthews Solo Cam but I
did not get sloppy because I have a better Bow. And like you, I don't get this thinking. I use bow hunting tactics in scent control, camo, inc. other than the Orange even when I rifle hunt.  
I have made a decision to use the best equipment I can & at the same time be the best hunter that I can. They are in no way mutually exclusive!

[kx90]

I have been using Remington CoreLokt rounds ever since I started hunting.  Every deer that I have killed with my 30.06 has dropped in it's tracks, even when my shot was off a little bit high or low.

This year, was the first deer that I have to track.  Two does walked up about 120yds from me back in the woods.  I had a clean broadside shot through a good lane so I dropped to one knee, took aim and fired.  Just as I fired she moved, picking up her front half just enough to make my shot about 3 inches low of bullseye.  I saw the bullet hit her and she did the old 'yip' jump.

It was just starting to snow and I when I went over to look for blood there was two little drops of blood and a mess of hair.  I figured I give her some time and not push her, so I was on the radio navigating a hunting buddy back onto our property after he got lost on his quad (he is handicapped).  Once he got to me, he knew where he was and I started the tracking.  The snow was piling up rather quickly, but luckily the blood was running down her front leg so all I had to do was follow the hoof prints...until I saw 3 other sets of hoof prints then I started sticking my fingers in the hoof prints to find blood.  Found her about 200 yards from where I shot her, not a straight line though, more like weaving around.  It would've been like 100 yards as the crow flys.

But, again, the 165 CoreLokts did the trick.

[Lawdog]

The long range Weatherby fans are going to starve to death.

Ramrod,

On behalf of all the Weatherby users out there would you please explain such a brash statement?  My families freezers(5 of them) are full.  No animals lost.  Every Weatherby user I know, which is a lot, freezers are full too.  No “rumors or opinions”, facts please!  Lawdog
 

[nomosendero]

kx90
Congrats on your Doe. Sometimes Deer will do something weird right when you pull the trigger. Anyone who says that has never happened to them has not harvested a large # of Deer.

[Redhawk1]

kx90
Congrats on your Doe. Sometimes Deer will do something weird right when you pull the trigger. Anyone who says that has never happened to them has not harvested a large # of Deer.

Not all deer will drop right in there tracks, no matter how well placed the shot is.  Unless you hit the spine then they drop in there tracks. I have had some drop in there tracks without a spine shot also. Now I have taken hundreds of deer and, some have dropped in there tracks but most go 30 to 100 yards. I like the high shoulder shots that take out the lungs also. So I like to put a double hurtin on them.  

[jro45]

I shot this deer at 150yds put my bullet [150 gr Hornady ] 3" above the shoulder and that deer droped dead still had a mouth full of grass. I mean it was dead. The rifle was a 30/06. This was on a deer hunting trip down to Alabama.

[rickt300]

I pulled my 7MM mauser out of semi retirement so I could test some of the Ballistic tips that have been sitting on the shelf for several years.  Looks like the Combined Technology version will get the chamber position for the daylight hunting.  The 308 and the corelokts will be the night rifle. I have to take themboth to the range tomorrow as I had to take the 308 out of the stock to fix the trigger and I put a different scope on the 7x57. Due to lease rules I won't be able to have any company, no guests till after deer season and none of the other guys on the lease can go because they are all Christmas shopping.  I am bringing my 44 magnum and lights that will stay on this time.  I hope to see some smaller hogs this time also.

[Ramrod]

The long range Weatherby fans are going to starve to death.

Ramrod,

On behalf of all the Weatherby users out there would you please explain such a brash statement?  My families freezers(5 of them) are full.  No animals lost.  Every Weatherby user I know, which is a lot, freezers are full too.  No “rumors or opinions”, facts please!  Lawdog
 

I would not need to explain, if you had read my entire post. Since you very obviously didn't, I don't feel a need to respond to this question.

[nomosendero]

I am glad that is resolved.:?  :?  :?  :shock:

[roper]

I have a real hard time understanding things I got to ask this of  Redhawk1 and this is mean for you not as a moderator or baiting or what ever you want to call how do you kill hundreds of deer.   How many do you take a year.  I'll be lucky in my life time to take a 100 bucks when I lived in Calif you could get two one in the early season and one in the late here you can only get one buck.  I've got a book written by a Courtney "Foots" Lumpin he hunted Around Glencoe, Alabama he gave me the book in 1981 when he came out here to hunt for elk and according to him it took 19 yrs to get his 100th deer and Foots spend all his spare time hunting.  I hear some state in the south are pretty generous with doe tags is that where you hunt?  I'm going to post on afew other sites and see what those guys have to say as to how many they take in a year.  Me I'm 0 this year again didn't see anything worth shooting.

[Redhawk1]

I have a real hard time understanding things I got to ask this of  Redhawk1 and this is mean for you not as a moderator or baiting or what ever you want to call how do you kill hundreds of deer.   How many do you take a year.  I'll be lucky in my life time to take a 100 bucks when I lived in Calif you could get two one in the early season and one in the late here you can only get one buck.  I've got a book written by a Courtney "Foots" Lumpin he hunted Around Glencoe, Alabama he gave me the book in 1981 when he came out here to hunt for elk and according to him it took 19 yrs to get his 100th deer and Foots spend all his spare time hunting.  I hear some state in the south are pretty generous with doe tags is that where you hunt?  I'm going to post on afew other sites and see what those guys have to say as to how many they take in a year.  Me I'm 0 this year again didn't see anything worth shooting.

OK I will answer your question. I have been hunting for 31 years now. I hunted in all the States I was stationed in while in the service as well as out of State hunting.  I have lived in Delaware for over 15 years now and we are able to get 6 deer a year on our license and then buy as many doe tags as we need or want. I also hunt in Maryland on a lease that has a major deer problem. Not all the deer I take are bucks and included doe's in my numbers. Just last year I took 10 Deer in Delaware and Maryland, this year I have already got 6 in both places and still have time left to hunt. In Maryland we can take 36 deer in all companied seasons. That is how I can get hundreds. Move to Delaware or Maryland and you will have the pleasure to hunt quality deer and get a bunch.  

I have been in my deer stand and had 15 deer standing in the alfalfa field not 70 yards from me. Here on the Dalmarva peninsula we have a major deer problem, and I do my best to help out the farmers and farms that I have permission to hunt on.

[Graybeard]

Funny how I always get bashed by the one or two Barnes Fans out there, but when all the other folks that have not been duped by the premium bullet ads come out and post, they get handled with kid gloves. The Nazi's taught similar tactics too!

Nope you're wrong on that one. Those same guys give me the same kinda hard time about Barnes Bullets but then I don't cut them no slack on the subject either. They just have those magnum rifles and need to compensate for their short comings.  :-D

I've got a book written by a Courtney "Foots" Lumpin he hunted Around Glencoe, Alabama he gave me the book in 1981 when he came out here to hunt for elk and according to him it took 19 yrs to get his 100th deer and Foots spend all his spare time hunting.

It's barely 11 miles from my house to Glencoe so I'm very familiar with the area. It's in Etowah County and for years it had one of the lowest deer counts in the state. The surrounding counties weren't a lot better. Back in the late '70s and especially earlier it could be hard to get a deer here in this part of the state. It's some different now. I'm in Calhoun Co. and this year we have 50 days of either sex deer hunting. That means in those 50 days you can legally kill 100 deer with modern rifle. The rest of the gun season it's one buck a day only. Now during bow season it's legal to kill two per day every day from Oct. 15 to Jan. 31. But I've not seen that many deer in the last 15 hunting seasons around here.

In parts of the state down south of us where deer are more plentiful it's not hard for folks with good places to hunt to kill upwards of 20-25 deer per year. One fellow named Jerry Simmons of the Simmons broadhead fame has taken what's now probably close to 500 with bow here in Bama.

[nomosendero]

I feel like I have harvested alot of Deer, but 500 with a bow is amazing.

[Lawdog]

The long range Weatherby fans are going to starve to death.

Ramrod,

On behalf of all the Weatherby users out there would you please explain such a brash statement?  My families freezers(5 of them) are full.  No animals lost.  Every Weatherby user I know, which is a lot, freezers are full too.  No “rumors or opinions”, facts please!  Lawdog
 

I would not need to explain, if you had read my entire post. Since you very obviously didn't, I don't feel a need to respond to this question.

Ramrod,

I did read your WHOLE post.  More than once.  I still want to know what hunting skills has to do with  " The long range Weatherby fans are going to starve to death."?  I know you're trying to make out that Weatherby shooters try to make up for hunting skills with rifles that shoot father.  You couldn’t be more wrong, AGAIN.  So PLEASE EXPLAIN THAT STATEMENT!!   :roll:   Lawdog
 

[rickt300]