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Offline Savage

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« Reply #30 on: October 04, 2004, 05:36:49 PM »
Mine still will fire out of battery with an extra power recoil spring, if you have an overly sensitive primer. So will yours. It's a bit of a design flaw. Live with it as I do, even "Glock Perfection" is not perfect!
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« Reply #31 on: October 05, 2004, 04:42:47 AM »
I tried what you said and you are right, you can get it to release the striker, but not when the barrel has dropped down... it will only strike while the barrel is in the correct location... at least on my 9mm.  What I can't figure out is what in the normal cycling of the action would cause that because I couldn't get it to do it unless I went into battery first.  I dunno.

However, why are you using an extra power recoil spring?  It seems to me that messing around with stuff like that is what causes wierd behavior in cycling.

Is it a problem in a stock gun?  If so, give a link to an official news release or recall notice from Glock.  Most of the failures I've ever heard of (except for the slide rail problem, and the 9mm follower problem) have been due to user tweaks or reloads.
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« Reply #32 on: October 05, 2004, 06:22:59 AM »
You will never get an official acknowledgement of any problems from glock. Having light strikes due to an OOB condition is something I have experienced more than once. The extra power recoil spring helps this condition, but doesn't eliminate it. No modifications have been done to any of my Glocks that would affect lockup. There is a current thread on Glock Talk about a mdl21 that blew up using factory ammo. Looks like Glock is not going to admit that any problems existed with the gun that might have caused the failure. Guess that tells you what the warranty is worth.
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« Reply #33 on: October 05, 2004, 06:42:08 AM »
Forgot to mention. When you get a light strike in the 12:00 position on the primer, It can only be caused by the barrel being slightly tilted down in the OOB position.
iiibbb,
Don't buy in to all the hype. Nothing is perfect, any and all designs could be improved. I carry and shoot my Glocks with confidence, while being aware of their shortcomings.
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« Reply #34 on: October 05, 2004, 08:51:08 AM »
Glocks been around too long now for it to be much about hype anymore.  I'm trying not to buy into the hype that there is a secret defect with Glocks... which is why I asked.  I don't necessarily doubt what you say can happen... but it seems like a really big IF and potentially due to modifying a spring...  

I have a friend who replaced a bunch of stuff on a Kimber he bought right out of the box.  It malfunctions all the time... and I have to wonder if it has something to do with all his adjustments.

Basically what you say is pretty counter to my 5-10K rounds of flawless operation with my G19 and also all of the Glock owners I personally know.

Mine is a 2nd gen G19 so maybe quality has gone down... I don't know.  I would think that the press or whoever would jump on any substantive case where a Glock failed like that... someone would jump... news written... this family is one of the most deployed firearms out there... there would be something I'd think.

Most of the stuff I ever see an actual news item on are due to negligence or hot reloads.

I won't belabor my points though... lest it be seen as arguing... which I'm not trying to do.
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« Reply #35 on: October 05, 2004, 10:11:06 AM »
I too have thousands of rounds down range from my Glocks. I am not trying to berate the design or the quality of the product. I frequently shoot my 21 in competiton with ammunition that must make major power factor. The heavier than stock recoil spring is a "must have" to prevent premature wear. A heavy recoil spring helps absorb recoil and returns the slide to battery with more authority, thereby reducing the provability of firing OOB. I don't know of any serious competitors that use a "stock" gun, be it a Glock or a Wilson. Competitors don't make changes for the sake of change, but to improve the performance of the product. Cruse on over to Glock Talk and you'll see what I mean. If you are satisfied with the performance of your stock Glock. then keep it that way. It depends on your applications. My mdl 36 is pretty much fine the way it came, with the exception of the sights. My mdl 19 & 21 have a few serious mods to improve performance. It pretty much depends on how you use it. My Kimbers are pretty much good to go right out of the box for my applications. However, they too can be improved for special applications.
To put it another way, "stock not as good as it gets"!
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« Reply #36 on: October 12, 2004, 02:07:45 PM »
I have had two Glock 21's blown in my P.D. Before I go further I am not writing this to ruffle any feathers or notions about Glock.I found this web site in search to answers for what occured. The Portland P.D. case is real. They had two blow with two different case lots of factory ammo. In conference with one of the Portland people our guns matched in damage.My two guns were damaged in the frame,trigger,mag release,etc.All plastic parts vacated the pistols. The pistols were out of battery on disassembly.Two officers sustained trigger finger injuries and one had facial cuts. Ammo was reloads with Berry plated bullets. Same loads of over 15,000 rounds that went thru our Sig 220's. I am switching to another pistol as I cannot afford to have my people hurt, my number one priority.I am fully aware of reloads and and all that has been said here and more.I like all guns,reloaded for my P.D. for 30 years been a reloader for 40.I am aware of the Glock fans and their support.It's kinda a Ford and Chevy thing.One more thing a trooper contacted me and had his 40 blow with factory gold dots. A glock fan he is no more as he felt the factory let him hang.Thank you for your time.
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« Reply #37 on: October 14, 2004, 07:13:02 AM »
Ok, I reload and had put around 25k rounds through my g23 (200 rounds a week for several years...) before it died...brass failure...I had a black hand, and it was a little numb, but thats it...glock reviewed the Ammo, and declared it fine...then sold me a glock of my choice for 230, which I then got the G30...
we still reload, for a 26 a 21 and a 30...not a problem...
when the 23 blew...it was in battery...the gun blew the top of the chamber off, split the mag, and locked up .25" out of battery...

For me I see it like this...chamber pressure is high in a 40/357 compared to a 45 or 9mm...I now have a sig2340 and it has a suported barrel...I am not worried
I load a little less then max in most of my guns, but in my ruger 44's...(differnt class of gun...can you break a Super Blackhawk with normal loads...?)
and carry +p's in everything for tactical...if you reload hot stuff, then buy a different gun, use better brass...(I only use starline in my high pressure loads)
I will still say, of the thousands of rounds I have put through a G30 a g21 and a G26 as well as a sig 2340...I trust them...and yes, I would buy a g23 again.  (and maybe a new barrel)
bodiely harm aside...reloading like I do has paid for that dead glock 10 times over easy...
Now to start reloading 30.06...hmmm
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« Reply #38 on: October 14, 2004, 07:51:15 AM »
:grin: I'm laughing at all the Glock owners defending that P.O.S. Get a SIG or a Springfield XD. One of these days you guys will wise up and there will be a lot of Glocks for sale CHEAP! :lol:
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« Reply #39 on: October 14, 2004, 08:04:18 AM »
bgjohn,
Bet you're a closet Glockie!
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« Reply #40 on: October 14, 2004, 08:10:30 AM »
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bgjohn,
Bet you're a closet Glockie!
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Made that mistake once but never again. Got rid of it quick. To someone like you.
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« Reply #41 on: October 14, 2004, 08:13:05 AM »
I have a sig, and my bud has a xd...the xd is fine...I still would stick to my main three favs for tac...Glock, HK and Sig...may I add...I have never had a glock or sig malfunction...(other then that one time) :lol:  :eek:

Glock pride...cause I was born this way...so you have to accept me you 1911 people... :wink:

Can I start a show now...called Glock-eyed for the sig guy...where glock-o-philies run around forceing combat tuperware on unsuspecting sig guys??? :-D  :-D  :-D  :-D  :-D  :)
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« Reply #42 on: October 14, 2004, 11:18:13 AM »
Yeah John that confirms it!
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« Reply #43 on: November 28, 2004, 06:35:22 PM »
:cb2: My Glock 21 was my first centerfire handgun, and I shot lead SWC reloads out of it for five years before I found out that I wasn't supposed to do that. Hated to quit using that ammo. A local company here makes great stuff, and their .45s shoots just as well as the Federal Match ammo. Need to shoot it more. When it was the only gun it sure was fired a lot. Now 'bout thirty guns later, it gets carried a lot, but not shot very much. Gotta practice more with the carry gun instead of shootin' the fun guns all the time!  :lol:
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« Reply #44 on: December 13, 2004, 03:53:19 PM »
When I started this thread, I had no idea it would just keep going. Here's some good news. Shooting Illustrated, a magazine published by NRA, has a report on the Glock story in the current issue. NRA says one problem  is when people use reloads in them, particularly loads using cases that have already been used a couple of times or more. The other problem is using bullets other than jacketed bullets. Glock rifling is different from other types in the way lead is deposited. It accumulates in the grooves, resulting in higher pressures. NRA says they can find no documented instances of failures where jacketed bullets in new ammunition were used and the pistols are totally safe when using such ammunition.
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« Reply #45 on: January 14, 2005, 04:52:19 AM »
Where I work we carry the Glock 17. In 2003, our trainer had informed us that there was a memo to NOT use the +P ammo as is would do damage to the Glocks. I brought my 19 in for him to inspect as I bought it used and was unsure of what had been put into it. Appears o.k..  I don't use reloads either.
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« Reply #46 on: January 18, 2005, 07:32:47 PM »
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When I started this thread, I had no idea it would just keep going. Here's some good news. Shooting Illustrated, a magazine published by NRA, has a report on the Glock story in the current issue. NRA says one problem  is when people use reloads in them, particularly loads using cases that have already been used a couple of times or more. The other problem is using bullets other than jacketed bullets. Glock rifling is different from other types in the way lead is deposited. It accumulates in the grooves, resulting in higher pressures. NRA says they can find no documented instances of failures where jacketed bullets in new ammunition were used and the pistols are totally safe when using such ammunition.
No flames towards you lilabner...

Gee, I must be shooting a ghost Glock, as only about 30 rounds that have been fired through my 36 have been factory.  Everything else is reloaded at least once.  And most of the 230gr loads were on the hotter side of the sun.  I must be doing something wrong here...
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« Reply #47 on: March 25, 2005, 09:01:39 AM »
now what was found out is that the glock funtioned evactly as it was designed to, and thje at falt problem was the ammo,


100 % of the time glock will tell you its the ammo nothing is wrong with their guns
can youo see what would happen IF glock admitted that they cut the chamber on the barrel wrong and not enough of the case is supported?
i was shooting a G22 and 4.5 grs of WW 231 with a 150 gr TMJ bullet
there is not way you can double charge this load and seat the bullet

glock has a problem with their guns and will not admitt it

is guns other than glocks havin this same problem in 40 and 45 cal?
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