Author Topic: M1 carbine for home defense (Read 2291 times)

longwalker · « **on:** December 30, 2004, 08:55:05 AM »

I have often thought a good home defense weapon would be an M1 CARBINE. Most people I talk to about this seem to be surprised I would even consider such a thing.

Is there a function problem with them that would preclude them from consideration?

longwalker

IntrepidWizard · « **Reply #1 on:** December 30, 2004, 09:09:26 AM »

Carbine Williams MI Carbine is just the ticket with soft nosed bullets,Ball ammo is hard an the walls and neighbors.

DEPUTY · « **Reply #2 on:** December 30, 2004, 05:21:14 PM »

Nothing wrong with the m1 it is close to the 357 mag in data! a good 10 or 125 jsp i belive is available for it i would find some good realiable 15 rnders not 30s! just in case you have to go prone or other postions that may be hindered with a 30 rnder!

leadbutt · « **Reply #3 on:** December 30, 2004, 06:33:43 PM »

Stay with the 15 rounders and go with the Winchester 110 JSP, all testing by those who do that stuff point to that load as the best going ,followed by the Remington.

I have one that rides some times as my truck gun,, its stock with the Choate pistol grip, scout scope mount and a red dot. great little package

gwhilikerz · « **Reply #4 on:** December 31, 2004, 05:13:14 AM »

I have always been more impressed by the downrange effect of the 30 carbine compared to the 44 mag. And it is a lot easier to control in a stressful situation when you have to fire. just my opinion.

S.S. · « **Reply #5 on:** January 18, 2005, 04:32:05 AM »

M1 Carbine would be excellent for the job.
I have two myself and have Remington
soft points loaded in one's clips. I too would recommend
the 15 round mags. I only load 10 rounds in mine.
I can't forsee any situation where 10 would not suffice
and the spring is not under nearly the stress. This may sound
crazy but one of my clips is loaded with 150 grain Nosler
ballistic tips over a charge of 6.5 grains of unique. These
rounds are deadly accurate out to about 75 yards and are
not nearly as loud. We have a problem with feral Dogs and
this is pretty decent medicine for them. It's kind of a
.30 U.S. 'WHISPER' Carbine. Range is limited though.

rickyp · « **Reply #6 on:** January 18, 2005, 04:29:12 PM »

you could also put a bayonet on the end of it for when you run out of ammo :-D

Ramrod · « **Reply #7 on:** January 30, 2005, 04:24:37 PM »

rickyp, softpoint bullets make it a good killer and an excellent house gun. And magazines are cheap, so you can't run out of ammo if you plan ahead!

rickyp · « **Reply #8 on:** January 31, 2005, 02:50:30 AM »

I was joking about the bayonet.
the m1 carbine was designed for close quarters combat.
the light, relative slow moving 30 caliber bullet does not preform well on targets at a distance or with heavy clothing on.

One would be better off with a marlin camp carbine in 9mm or even better the 45 acp. the only trouble is I heard that marlin is no longer making them.
I have the 9 mm camp carbine it is light handles great and shoots very, very, very well with 115 gr bullets.

Reed1911 · « **Reply #9 on:** February 12, 2005, 04:32:51 AM »

We produce .30 Carb ammunition from the 60 GDHP and XTP up to the 110g SP. For home defense we recommend the 85g XTP. It's a nice light bullet that performs very well and does not over penetrate.

Doc TH · « **Reply #10 on:** February 22, 2005, 07:05:18 PM »

That's what they were designed for.
I personally do not believe 9mm is superior. Neither is terribly destructive to tissue, but the carbine velocity is notably higher, and I don't believe the 30 grains or so extra weight of the 9mm slug matters much.

gwhilikerz · « **Reply #11 on:** February 25, 2005, 05:11:30 PM »

Quote from: rickyp

I was joking about the bayonet.
the m1 carbine was designed for close quarters combat.
the light, relative slow moving 30 caliber bullet does not preform well on targets at a distance or with heavy clothing on.

One would be better off with a marlin camp carbine in 9mm or even better the 45 acp. the only trouble is I heard that marlin is no longer making them.
I have the 9 mm camp carbine it is light handles great and shoots very, very, very well with 115 gr bullets.

I can't agree with you about the m1 carbine not performing well on targets at a distance or heavy clothing. It is far and away better than either the 9mm or 45 acp. It has proven itself the world over. And it has more knockdown punch than a 44mag coming from a handgun.

Ramrod · « **Reply #12 on:** February 27, 2005, 12:50:59 PM »

rickyp, tell us, what facts led you to this opinion? The .30 carbine round is moving along more than 300 fps faster than the 9mm in a carbine, and will defeat kevlar body armor. I own both .30 and 9mm, so don't try to tell me which is more powerfull. And as far as a .45 goes, whatever advantage you gain in close range knock down power, you lose at longer range. It is pretty useless past 100 yards. And any decent vest will stop .45's at point blank range.

Rustyinfla · « **Reply #13 on:** February 27, 2005, 02:10:44 PM »

When I was in Law Enforcement a fellow officer carried an M1 Carbine. One night he went on board a shrimp boat after a suspect who had just shot two of his shipmates in a bar. The suspect jumped behind a drag door and fired at the officer. The officer returned fire thru the drag door hitting the suspect 3 times with 3 shots. He was using ball ammo at the time. A drag door is used to keep the nets pulled out away from the boat as the nets are pulled thru the water so this was water soaked wood aprox 3" thick that was penetrated first.
Jim Cirello ret. NYPD officer has probably been in more shootouts than any other living LEO. He was on a robbery stakeout team during his career. he was forced by dept. regs. to use a .38 specl. but also used a .30 carbine when situations allowed. He could have picked any other long arm out there. Shotgun, AR-15, etc. but he went with the lowly carbine.

Rusty <><

Ramrod · « **Reply #14 on:** February 27, 2005, 03:23:11 PM »

I always knew there were 5 million reasons for the 5 million M1 Carbines made before 1950. Thanks Rustyinfla, for sharing one of them.

rickyp · « **Reply #15 on:** February 27, 2005, 04:23:26 PM »

When I talk about the 9mm and 45 acp I am talking about a carbine and not from a handgun. the 16 inch barrel give several hundred FPS over a typical handgun this improves the performance of both rounds.

I personally have not shot a single person with a 30 carbine , 9mm or 45 acp or any other round and I doubt that many on here have with the exception of the military personnel in combat.
however I have done a side by side "shoot out" with a guy shooting mil. surplus 30 carbine rounds and I was using my Marlin 9mm camp carbine. the target where large blocks of clay.

The 30 did penetrate deeper most of the time and showed signs of tumbling. The 9MM was 115 gr H.P. and they showed extreme channels and upset. using the 115 ball the results where close to the 30 carbine just a bigger hole.

This whole debate is starting to get on the small and fast Vs. fat and slow

Ramrod · « **Reply #16 on:** February 28, 2005, 04:44:12 AM »

Quote from: rickyp

The 30 did penetrate deeper most of the time and showed signs of tumbling. The 9MM was 115 gr H.P. and they showed extreme channels and upset. using the 115 ball the results where close to the 30 carbine just a bigger hole.

Comparing .30 military ball to 9mm JHP is hardly a fair comparison. And almost everyone who posted here said the same thing, use softpoints in the .30 carbine for home defense. Ball is more suitable for military and law enforcement use.
Everyone wants to believe his gun is better than the next guy's, so go right on thinking the 9mm is better. Both will work for home defense. But as I posted earlier, I own both, and know which has more power.

williamlayton · « **Reply #17 on:** March 10, 2005, 09:54:39 PM »

I would consider this but am having a tough time finding one to even look at. Any suggestions.
Blessings

Ramrod · « **Reply #18 on:** March 11, 2005, 03:19:08 AM »

Quote from: williamlayton

I would consider this but am having a tough time finding one to even look at. Any suggestions.
Blessings

You could find some overpriced ones at most gun shows.

Seriously, though, it is kind of odd. With more than 5 million out there, you would think you would run across more of them for sale. Might say something about how attached the owners get to them!
There are some new ones being made, but I think they are pretty expensive.

Old Griz · « **Reply #19 on:** March 17, 2005, 02:54:11 PM »

:cb2: Aauh . . . just get a shotgun!