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Offline 257Robt

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Winchester 1400/Rem 870 ?'s
« on: February 02, 2005, 02:14:42 PM »
I have a chance to purchase a Win 1400 12g and a Rem 870 20g. Both guns have surface rust on them and are in poor to fair shape right now and they both need a cleaning very badly.

The 1400 is a 12g with a 28" vented rib barrel choked full. Are these shotguns reliable and worth the headache? If so, how much would one go fair in about 50% condition.

The 870 is a 20g and has Magnum on the receiver and it is chambered for 3" shells. The barrel is a plain 28" barrel choked modified. The wood isn't in to bad of shape now that I got through the grime. The wood has some checkering on it. It is not the "corn cob" stock. What would one go for in about 60% condition. Also, could a newer slug barrel be used on this receiver?

Any info that can be passed on is greatly appreciated. I want to give my brother-in-law a fair price and I am not to familiar with the prices on these.
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Winchester 1400/Rem 870 ?'s
« Reply #1 on: February 03, 2005, 11:48:58 AM »
In the most recent issue of Field & Stream magazine there was an article about the "50 best guns ever made."  The author lists what he believes were the best guns.  Then at the end of the article he lists the 3 worst guns ever made.  Listed as #3 was the Winchester 1400.  He sites the gun was full of plastic internal parts that cracked and broke.  I'm not familiar with this model, but if a writer that has been on a magazine staff for over 40 years, writing specifically about the quality and performance of guns, wrote so negatively about a model, I would avoid it real hard, especially since you say the condition is only 50%.

I am very familiar with the 870, though.  I've had several over the decades, including a first year production 870AP that my dad purchased in 1950 and gave to me in 1959 on my 10th birthday.  I'm still shooting that same gun and have replaced one 59 cent spring so far after 55 years of use.  Today, after all those years of use the gun rates at 85+%.  

My question would be, why do you want to purchase guns that would be in the worst condition when you received them?  50% and 60% are really at the bottom of the quality ratings.  The blue book of gun values only goes down to 60% as the worst condition.  Unless you just want to have the worst condition guns on your block, I'd pass.  The 870 as you described it would be worth less than $100.  If the serial number ends with a "M" then it is a magnum.  You can put a slug barrel of the proper size and gauge on it and could fire 2 3/4 inch slugs, or 3 inch slugs if the barrel was marked for 3 inch shells.

Remington has made 2 different sizes of 20 gauge 870's.  From 1950 to 1971 they made what has become known as the "standard" 20 gauge gun.  It was made on the 12 gauge size receiver.  It takes a  20 gauge barrel made just for that size receiver.  It is a 20 gauge barrel that is stepped up to a thicker size at the breech end to fit in the 12 gauge size receiver.  In 1972 they started making what is called the "lightweight" 20 gauge on a smaller receiver.  The barrels are not interchangeable.  If you want to add a slug barrel to your 20 gauge gun, you need to find out if it is the standard or lightweight model.  Usually the lightweight model will have the letters "LW" on the receiver and barrel.  

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1400 has unremovable plug and only shoots 2 3/4 shells
« Reply #2 on: February 03, 2005, 12:12:11 PM »
I have  a Ranger 1400 12 ga.  It has a plastic tab to release the bolt, other than that it is a good gun.  The only problem is you can't remove the plug and are limited to two shells in the tube.  It will only shoot 2 3/4 shells but some say you won't need anything else.  The 870 is a better all around gun.  The 1400 is a good dove and quail gun but lousy for deer and ducks.  Too heavy and can't shoot magnums. my.002

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« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2005, 03:10:28 PM »
TennSquire, part of my reason for getting these guns is because under the grime and rust there might be a gem. I cleaned up the 870 a bit and it looks waaaaay better already. Yes the gun still has rust spots but the action is good and cycles very well. The wood looks very good. I also like the fact that the price is right and no paperwork. I also like the fact that the 870 is a magnum 20g and the barrel has no vented rib or choke for that matter. A pure and simple shotgun for hunting. I've wanted one like this for a while but around here you don't find them. The 1400 I don't know much about. Once again, under the grime and rust, you might have a shooter. Nothing more, just a shooter for light hunting use. Like theath said, a good dove gun. I don't know for sure though but it might be worth a chance.
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« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2005, 02:30:21 AM »
Underneath the grime is a blued 20g. It is a wingmaster, but an older. The left side of the reciever says Remington Magnum Wingmaster Model 870 and the serial numbers start with a T and end with a N.
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« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2005, 02:59:45 AM »
The 1400 is an inexpensive autoloader. I have had one for many years and it is totally reliable even though I have abused the hell out of it. Its heavier than needs to be, but points and shoots well.

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« Reply #6 on: March 16, 2005, 04:19:59 PM »
I have both guns the 1400 is fine I never had a problen with it for 20 plus years. My 870 is trully my fav gun!

I love all shot guns so I might be off a bit.(wife says I am not right in the Head") :eek:

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