Author Topic: Yet another school Massecre (Read 1710 times)

Cowpox · « **on:** March 21, 2005, 01:37:10 PM »

Just coming in on local media. Red Lake Minnesota, Red Lake Indian Reservation. 8 dead, 14 wounded at Red Lake High School. A male student, I believe they reported his age at 14, took his Grandfather's (A retired veteran of the Reservation Police) duty belt, two hand guns, and a shotgun, and after killing his grandfather and Grandmother, went to the school and went on a shooting spree. Killed were his grandparents, a school security officer, a teacher, three students(two female and one male), 14 wounded. He then turned a gun on himself. They have just added that the death toll rose to 9, as one of the wounded has died at the hospital, and another is seriously injured and has been flown to another hospital. When is this going to end? Get ready for another assault on your right to keep and bare.

Leverdude · « **Reply #1 on:** March 21, 2005, 01:59:13 PM »

Very sad for sure. Dont think it'll end tho, not as long as theres people on the planet anyhow. I'm of the opinion that things like this have gone on since forever. Difference is that now, me in CT can hear about something like this in Minn within hours instead of weeks or months or never.
Not saying I dont want to hear about it, just making the point that things that have happened since time began sure seem more common with the technology we've got now.

Curtis · « **Reply #2 on:** March 21, 2005, 02:05:15 PM »

leverdude, that is true and also there are just plain more folks crowded together in the U.S. than ever before. Statistically, it cannot fail to happen more and more.

Curtis

Cowpox · « **Reply #3 on:** March 21, 2005, 02:12:14 PM »

You are correct leverdude. It is sad, and probably has gone on forever. It just seems to me that it is accelerating. I long for 40 years ago, when 12 year old kids entered NRA sponsored Firearms safety courses which were held right after school. The intructors picked the kids up as soon as school closed, at the door of the school. The students brought their cased .22s to school, and put them in their lockers, which seldom had a lock on it. Not one was ever stolen, no one felt uneasy because there were guns in the building, and no one ever even thought about going to get one and shooting teachers and fellow students. There has to be something wrong. But, what ?

Nightrain52 · « **Reply #4 on:** March 21, 2005, 05:24:13 PM »

Kids today aren't allowed to be kids anymore. Look at the bullcrap they watch on TV and the video games they play constantly. There comes a time after seeing it so much it's hard for them to tell the differance between fantasy and reality. When I was a kid we had to come up with our own way to entertain ourselves. Watching TV was something the whole family did together and there were no ratings system because they didn't show such trash on tv. When I was growing up we always rooted for the good guy and he always won out. Look no farther than professional wrestling, most of the kids are cheering for the bad guys. The morals of this country has went down the tubes and we wonder why these kids and teens do the things they do. The article I have read about this shooting says this teen was waving the guns around and firing at people and he had a grin on his face as he was doing it. I don't know what the answer is but we had better find out fast. :shock:

Cowpox · « **Reply #5 on:** March 21, 2005, 07:29:16 PM »

I guess knowing you are right on all counts is what scares me Nightrain. The late edition News had a little more info about the shooter. He was another picked on loner. One of the news casters did a search on his name, and found where a person by the same name left a disturbing thread at a Neo-Nazi web site. They also said he was 17, not 14 as I had stated in my first post. It seems like every class in every school has to select a designated p@*#ing post. This has been going on for all time, and I would imagine it ranges from minor to extreme and everything in between. A previous poster pointed out that it has to keep getting more frequent as there get to be more children, and I expect that might be true. Still, you and I are baby boomers, and school enrollment is supposed to be declining since our school days, so there has to be some other factor. Kicking God out of public places was mentioned by someone on another forum here at GBO. When you think about it, that would be a standout reason for declining values in our youth. Maybe we have to come up with a way to educate our children not to belittle people they see as nerds until they go over the edge. We all know how cruel youth, and even adults came be, but changing human nature is a tall order. That brings us back to letting belief in a Creator and Savior back into public. Trouble is, getting the left to go along with that is a taller order than changing human nature. I guess we better get used to this kind of tragedy, because something will get into the way of any fix we come up with. It is sad.

Qtip · « **Reply #6 on:** March 22, 2005, 02:57:13 AM »

Nightrain,

That post hit the nail on the head. For the most part the tube is a sewer pipe that brings "it" into your home instead of out. I've seen far too many parents that use the tubes and video games as instant baby sitters. God help us.

Qtip
Soli Deo Gloria!
To God Alone Be The Glory!

Graybeard · « **Reply #7 on:** March 22, 2005, 03:00:19 AM »

It is NOT accelerating. Quite the opposite. All FBI statistics show the numbers are dropping and are close to an all time low at this time. It's just that the media play each event up so much more now than in the past and our population is at an all time high. But the numbers whether listed as percentages or per 100,000 as is the norm are dropping not increasing.

Mauser · « **Reply #8 on:** March 22, 2005, 04:26:32 AM »

The modern world is sooo frustrating. How can people be so self-absorbed and selfish not to know their kids? That and the general lack of morality is the real problem here.

Our modern-day hostility to religion ain't workin' out too well. Morality can't come from the king-he is only a man.

Don Fischer · « **Reply #9 on:** March 22, 2005, 06:46:55 AM »

We have to keep kid's away from gun's to stop the violence. After all after they've watched "lethal Weapon", a couple "Die Hard's", "The Postman", Some "Dirty Harry" and "Ted Bundy". They are them required to go act it out. They are required to do that aren't they? And God forbid we should censor Hollywood for turning out graphic violence.

What ever happened to cowboy's that just punched a bad guy or shot the gun out of his hand? Who remember's "Joe Friday" shootin' up the bad guy's? Brodrick Crawford, did he ever shoot anyone? Didn't those old movies have a moral to them other than "mess with me and I'll kill ya all".

It is much more politically correct to attack our gun's than to attack those that peddle violence for the sake of violence.

jh45gun · « **Reply #10 on:** March 22, 2005, 09:00:11 AM »

This was one mixed up indian kid! Now you have to be goofed up to shoot up a school anyway but I heard on the news this morning that this kid worshipped Hitler and had posted on some Neo Nazi web sites. Now that is strange that a kid who was a minority would worship a monster who was against minorities?

? Jim

Dali Llama · « **Reply #11 on:** March 22, 2005, 12:57:12 PM »

Quote from: jh45gun

that is strange that a kid who was a minority would worship a monster who was against minorities??

That do be rather bizarre, remark Dali Llama. :shock:

DirtyHarry · « **Reply #12 on:** March 22, 2005, 08:06:52 PM »

IMO it's not the violent TV/movies, not the music, or the lack of god in the classroom that cause these people to do these type of things. I mean was Hitler watching violent tv shows or playing violent video games? was he listening to rap music? NO, he was just crazy. I mean what ever happened to people just not being right from the get go? Why does it always have to be something that made them crazy? I say they are crazy from the start.
Thats what we need to ban, crazy people not gun's as the liberal left would have us do. We need to come up with a way to detect these, for lack of a better term, (crazy people) at a very early age and do something with them then...

ironglow · « **Reply #13 on:** March 23, 2005, 02:50:46 AM »

FOX news this morning said that the Red Lake reservation is one of those reservations that keep very much to themselves and want no contact with the rest of the country.
Seems to be quite a violent place...they said that the grandfather that was killed, being police chief...years ago was in a shootout with his own barricaded son who was killed.
They had in studio, a defense lawyer who has defended such kids ;
He blames violent TV, movies and games...just as most of us do.
He said that the real prime mover is the internet.
These kids feel like outcasts...they can get on a Nazi website and find friendship and validation. They then start to enter into their (and their Nazi friends) make-believe world.
The attorney said that very often after such a crime, by the time the kid is in his orange jump suit, he's bewildered...wondering just what has happened..somewhat like someone emerging from anestesia produced stupor after surgery.

Just repeating what I heard..

Somerled · « **Reply #14 on:** March 23, 2005, 06:57:22 AM »

If kids aren't loved enough, are not spiritually nourished, or not given enough structure and encouragement, and are left to raise themselves in this world full of confusing messages, we will continue to have "Goths" killing in our schools.

Spend some time with a kid, pray with and for them, feed them spiritually and physically and take them shooting. It doesn't matter if it is a kid you conceived or not. Love them before they learn to hate. We will not see discipline in the kids if we do not exhibit discipline ourselves. Discipline is more than cussing and beating kids with a belt. We provide and model order for children out of love.

Shooting and hunting are "disciplines" that we can use to build good character in children. We pass these pursuits on to the next generation out of love. I wouldn't say love and order are exactly the same thing, but there is certainly a close relationship between the two.

jh45gun · « **Reply #15 on:** March 23, 2005, 09:30:38 AM »

A lot of Reservations have pulled them selves out of poverty because of the Casino's Red Lake is not one of those as it is so far out in the boonies no traffic there to draw from so they are pretty much on their own and they seem to like their "Nation" status.

Dali Llama · « **Reply #16 on:** March 23, 2005, 10:02:59 AM »

Quote from: jh45gun

they seem to like their "Nation" status.

He imagine they do, remark Dali Llama... :twisted: :x :evil:

ironglow · « **Reply #17 on:** March 23, 2005, 01:05:16 PM »

I know that many people say that TV , video games etc don't affect most people's minds...

The present Muslim terrorists that end up as "Stuipicide" bombs at one time were just plain kids until a radical Mullah put them in a school for a couple hours every day where they were taught to hate...

Most of the kids that do these crimes are found to have saturated their minds with video games, TV and now the ugly side of the internet..

You may wish to say that TV doesn't work on people's minds.....but there must be some reason that advertisers are willing to pay up to 1&1/2 million dollars for a 30 second advertising slot...

You will note I have coined a name for the suicide bombers...

Think about it: you don't see Ben Ladin's kids blowing themselves up, nor Arafat's nor any of the high mullah's kids...mainly they make of the poor, the mental handicaps or desperate...

Since the bombers keep sacrificing themselves when the honcho's kids are not called upon for the task....makes them "Stupicide" bombers as far as I can see...

Dali Llama · « **Reply #18 on:** March 24, 2005, 11:21:36 AM »

Quote from: TM7

might not be good for adolescents to take this class of chemistry. BUT I suppose we won 't hear to much about this....

You can bet that the pharmaceutical companies will do everything they can to ensure that you do not, say Dali Llama!

:cry:

ironglow · « **Reply #19 on:** March 24, 2005, 03:21:46 PM »

You have a good point there TM7...almost invariably these shooters are on prozak, Ritlin or some such chemical...

Of course, some will say that he was a problem long ago, and the cemical was only part of the treatment...

Still, there were recent studies pointing to the chemicals as THE problem...

magooch · « **Reply #20 on:** March 25, 2005, 03:29:28 AM »

It seems these shootings are destined to happen from time to time and I don't think anything is going to stop it. On this one though, Terri Schiavo should be awarded some kind of recognition by believers in the Second Amendment for keeping the news media occupied with her plight. Imagine what we would be hearing 24/7 if wasn't for her and her supporters.

DirtyHarry · « **Reply #21 on:** March 25, 2005, 09:08:21 PM »

Quote from: TM7

It has been announced on TV news that the boy was under some form of mental treatment and was prescribed Prozac, which is a seritonin re-uptake inhibitor. So, this puts him in the company of all the school shooters we've heard about in that they have taken or were taking this chemistry.........might not be good for adolescents to take this class of chemistry. BUT I suppose we won 't hear to much about this....
TM7

So it most likely wasn't the music, tv and video games after all.. hmmmm
Looks like he was just a time bomb waiting to go off, maybe what set him over the edge was grammy not putting raisins in his morning oatmeal, who knows.... I do know this, he should never have had such easy access to a firearm, BP vest and a vehicle.....

Dali Llama · « **Reply #22 on:** March 26, 2005, 10:18:59 AM »

Quote from: DirtyHarry

he should never have had such easy access to a firearm

Do that mean that DirtyHarry advocate more gun control, ask Dali Llama? :? :? :?

MGMorden · « **Reply #23 on:** March 27, 2005, 08:32:33 AM »

I see stuff like this as an unfortuneatly fact of life. Banning guns won't stop it. Banning tv or video games won't stop it. Only banning crazy people will stop this, and it's hard to (fairly) judge someone as crazy unless they display extremely obvious signs (which this guy didn't seem to. Visiting Nazi sites can be construed as unpatriotic, but not crazy).

It is a tragedy, but I say that we simply pray for the fallen and move on, rather than each side start grabbing at straws trying to fix the problem (ie, lefties wanting to ban guns and righties wanting to ban tv and video games).

DirtyHarry · « **Reply #24 on:** March 28, 2005, 05:39:50 PM »

Quote from: Dali Llama

Quote from: DirtyHarry
he should never have had such easy access to a firearm
Do that mean that DirtyHarry advocate more gun control, ask Dali Llama? :? :? :?

What I mean is you should have better sense than to leave firearms and ammo out where a KNOWN unstable, mentally ill person has easy access to it..... :wink:

DirtyHarry · « **Reply #25 on:** March 28, 2005, 05:54:00 PM »

Quote from: MGMorden

and it's hard to (fairly) judge someone as crazy unless they display extremely obvious signs (which this guy didn't seem to. Visiting Nazi sites can be construed as unpatriotic, but not crazy).

I believe he was undergoing treatment for his mental illness and was taking prescription drugs for a diagnosed mental illness. If that doesn't scream crazy I don't know what would, I mean if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck...............