Jim Thanks to you I had a successful search. I found my pre 64 and it is in excellent condition. The guy had it in his shop for quite awhile, so I was able to get him down to $295. and he threw in 2 boxes of the old Winchester Super X (yellow box). I also found a 94 trapper that MABEY had 10 rounds through it,saddle ring $200. Now all I have to do is find a way to SNEAK them into the house. :-D Thanks again