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« on: May 12, 2005, 08:36:02 AM »
Swiss shooters target Schengen accord swissinfo May 12, 2005 10:10 AM Taking aim: the Swiss gun lobby fears restrictions on weapons' purchases (Keystone) Shooting is more than just a sport to many Swiss, who believe a whole way of life would be under threat if the nation signs up to the Schengen accord. Geared to improve cross-border security, the European Union agreement also lays down minimum requirements for acquiring and possessing firearms. RELATED ITEMS Sale of army weapons triggers heated debate Swiss leads UN efforts against illegal arms trade Metzler calls for tighter gun controls "The Swiss are well armed and enjoy great freedom," wrote Machiavelli in 1532. Many Swiss today see a causal connection between the two, with three million firearms in private hands. And when they realised that a yes to Schengen would require changes to their liberal firearm laws, they came out with all guns blazing. "We won’t let ourselves be disarmed by the EU!" says Willy Pfund, from the Committee for a Free Gun Law, which is calling for Schengen to be rejected, and also president of Pro Tell, a 7,000-strong pro-gun lobby. "Not only is the security of Switzerland at stake but also the sovereignty of its gun laws," Pfund added. Pro Tell sees Schengen as the beginning of a slippery slope. "If Switzerland enters into Schengen, sooner or later it will be forced to take on further tightening of European gun laws," Pfund said. The Swiss public is set to vote on whether to implement the accord, which covers other cross-border security issues and the removal of border controls with EU member states, on June 5. The upcoming ballot is also making emotions run high. "This is an imported law that brings us nothing – it’s a farce!" Fritz Kilchenmann, president of the Zurich Shooting Association, told swissinfo. "Respectable and law-abiding marksmen, hunters and gun collectors are being compared to criminals. You won’t prevent any crimes by taking weapons away from private owners and banning them," said Kilchenmann. Difference of opinion Not all hunters, however, are calling for a no. "Hunters can live with Schengen," says Urs Weber, director of the 200,000-member Swiss Shooting Association. "I had to register my mobile phone – I don’t see why one should refuse to register a weapon." JagdSchweiz, an umbrella organisation for Swiss hunters, has also distanced itself from Pro Tell's stance. It says the revision of the gun laws is only a small part of Schengen’s security efforts as a whole. New laws The main change that Schengen will have on gun laws, should the Swiss vote in its favour, is that the previous distinction between retail and private purchases would no longer apply. Both types of acquisition would have to be reported to a cantonal office as well as weapons obtained by inheritance. The firearms would also be classified as falling into one of three categories. The first is banned weapons (automatic guns, disguised weapons and weapons of war such as grenade and rocket launchers), for which an exemption is required. The second category is weapons requiring approval (revolvers, pistols and semi-automatics) and an acquisition certificate. A reason must be given when applying for the acquisition certificate (although an interest in guns will do!) but the buyer does not have to prove a need. Hunters, sports shooters and collectors are exempt from giving a reason for purchase. The third category is weapons which have to be simply reported. These include rifles used for hunting and sports shooting. In addition, a European firearms passport will be introduced, which will make life easier for hunters or sports shooters temporarily exporting guns to or passing through a Schengen state. The requirements which apply to the purchase of weapons will also apply to ammunition. No change However, the guidelines have a limited area of application and give the Swiss legislature a degree of flexibility. Swiss law will still have the final say on many issues. This means that the Schengen accord will have no effect on the Swiss militia, young people’s shooting clubs, the right of soldiers to store their military rifles at home or the requirement that they return them when they leave the army. The accord also does not require a central national weapons register and would not affect the carrying of firearms. Finally, Schengen will not affect hunting and shooting in Switzerland – national laws regarding such things as hunting permits, the hunting season and shooting events will still stand. High emotions Switzerland’s recent history in gun-ownership has been chequered. In 2001 a gunman entered the cantonal parliament in Zug, killing 14 people before turning the gun on himself. All his firearms, including an army-issue assault rifle, were legally acquired. The killings shocked a country with a higher per capita rate of gun ownership than the United States but comparatively little gun crime. The then justice minister, Ruth Metzler, said all guns should be centrally registered, sparking an outcry from the gun lobby and some politicians. The plans were later put on ice. swissinfo, Thomas Stephens
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« Reply #1 on: May 12, 2005, 08:37:49 AM »
The UN and their gun grabbing ways can stick it as far as I am concerned.~
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« Reply #2 on: May 12, 2005, 09:11:36 PM »
This sculpture was a gift from the Government of Luxembourg presented to the United Nations in 1988. It consists of a large replica in bronze of a 45-calibre revolver, the barrel of which istied into a knot. It was created in 1980 as a peace symbol by artist Karl Fredrik Reutersward, and is located in the Visitor's Plaza, facing First Avenue at 45th Street.


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« Reply #3 on: May 13, 2005, 09:27:12 AM »
It look like a Colt Python!!!!  You can tell the EU to knot this....... for me too!!!!  God help the day it hits here i hope i'm not around anymore when it does happen here.  They want to disarm every country who joins them.
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S.Sumner mentioned this a while back about the EU then the his word became the truth we started hearing about it more and more I think its spreading faster than the plague. :)

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« Reply #4 on: May 15, 2005, 07:48:32 AM »
I try to keep up with world politics so I did see this coming
a long time ago. I am going to throw something else out just for you
folks to research a bit and see what you think.  
Look at the way Hitler started in the early 1930's spreading
what he though the Third Reich should be! Some of the things
he was trying to achieve and how he was going to do it.
Then look into what the EU is trying to acheive!
See some (many) similarities?
The world should really take a good hard look at the past and
see if we really want to re-live it before they allow the European
Union to become too powerful.
Vir prudens non contra ventum mingit
"A wise man does not pee against the wind".