Author Topic: BC to .375 H&H Mag??? (Read 765 times)

Justice Trimble · « **on:** May 23, 2005, 05:31:18 PM »

:shock: Hi Gang,
Just a thought.....is it possible to bore out a Buffalo Classic or a Target Model to be a .375 H&H Magnum? Would they hold up to the pressure? And how do you think the longer barrels would help the ballistics or accuracy? WHATCHATHINK???

DPRinks · « **Reply #1 on:** May 23, 2005, 05:34:58 PM »

Forget it, barrel dimensions are not even close. :shock:

quickdtoo · « **Reply #2 on:** May 23, 2005, 05:45:09 PM »

Bore dimensions would be the sticker, the chamber would clean up, but the 38-55 bore is closer to .379 than .375. A good rebore/rechamber would be to 405 winchester!!!!

Justice Trimble · « **Reply #3 on:** May 23, 2005, 05:50:17 PM »

Does the .405 have the ability to put down anything near the ballistics of the .375?

Datil · « **Reply #4 on:** May 23, 2005, 05:51:52 PM »

I don't think H&R/NEF actions would hold up to any Magnum load.
Just my 2 cents. Datil

Justice Trimble · « **Reply #5 on:** May 23, 2005, 06:06:07 PM »

what about the .450 Marlin? Isn't that close to a magnum?

cheatermk3 · « **Reply #6 on:** May 23, 2005, 06:31:32 PM »

It's not just a question of chamber pressure; the larger case head diameter of the belted magnums produces more thrust on the action.

If you want a shoulder-thumpin' fire-breathin' thunderstick, get you a 45-70 and load stout level II loads.

If that ain't enough for ya, get you a Ruger #1 in 375 H&H or 416 Rigby and have at it.

Having a rifle that makes my eyes water and my nose run every time I pull the trigge ain't my cuppa tea--but if it's yours, go for it.

quickdtoo · « **Reply #7 on:** May 23, 2005, 07:15:21 PM »

JT, in reality, Cheatermk3 is right on the mark, high level 2 to low level 3 loads in the 45-70 are going to do what ever you need. In the BC barrel, I believe with careful load work and the right powder, you could easily be close to 458 win mag velocities with the 300gr partition, not that I'd want to be behind that metal butt plate, though!!! :eek: I'll be finding out before too long, I've ordered a 45-70 BC barrel for my BC since the original barrel is a 45-120 now. I'm also working up a hot load of H4198 and nosler partitions, after I chrono them out of the 22" handi barrel, I'll do the same out of the BC barrel for a comparison of what an extra 10" of barrel does for the velocity.

Mac11700 · « **Reply #8 on:** May 23, 2005, 08:14:35 PM »

Quote from: Justice Trimble

Does the .405 have the ability to put down anything near the ballistics of the .375?

Yep...works like a charm on a Asian water buffalo from what I've read...and out of a 28" barrel should even be better...

Mac

handirifle · « **Reply #9 on:** May 23, 2005, 08:22:08 PM »

A 400gr slug at 2000fps from the BC will let you know you pulled the trigger :eek:

Mac11700 · « **Reply #10 on:** May 23, 2005, 08:53:05 PM »

Quote from: handirifle

A 400gr slug at 2000fps from the BC will let you know you pulled the trigger :eek:

It will let whatever your shooting at know it as well... :biggun:

Mac

MSP Ret · « **Reply #11 on:** May 24, 2005, 01:47:35 AM »

I have to agree with the above learned posts regarding the heavy 45-70 loads, properly loaded (powder and bullet) the 45-70 is enough for anything on this good earth. If you don't think so how about a 45-120!!!...<><.... :grin:

handirifle · « **Reply #12 on:** May 24, 2005, 06:26:10 AM »

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I have to agree with the above learned posts regarding the heavy 45-70 loads, properly loaded (powder and bullet) the 45-70 is enough for anything on this good earth.

Especially when you load the 45-70 with bullets such as these. NOTHING will survive a well placed shot with something like this from a 45-70 at 2000.

Ditchdigger · « **Reply #13 on:** May 24, 2005, 10:01:51 AM »

Why mess with a little old 45 70? Rent a 460 Wby.reamer and make that BC a real bad boy. It would be cheap to shoot since you'll probably only get the nerve up to shoot 1 shot every 3 yrs. I think I'd try my Bowie knife first,and then if that did'nt do it shoot him. You would only shoot as a last resort with this gun. :-D :-D :-D Digger

James B · « **Reply #14 on:** May 24, 2005, 11:48:13 AM »

The Hornady ammo for the 405 Winchester is a 300 grain bullet at about 2200 fps.

quickdtoo · « **Reply #15 on:** May 24, 2005, 12:08:16 PM »

James, that's true for factory ammo in a 24" or shorter barrel, but handloaded and used in a 28" barrel, the velocity will definitely be higher.

http://www.hodgdon.com/data/rifle/405win.php

Hodgdon shows 2404fps in a 24" barrel is a max load, but pressure is well within the capabilites of an H&R Target rifle, but with the right load, even 2500fps is possible in a 24" barreled Ruger #1.

http://www.gunblast.com/Ruger_No1_405.htm

http://www.gunsandammomag.com/ammunition/bully_041805/

handirifle · « **Reply #16 on:** May 24, 2005, 12:13:08 PM »

Forgot to post my link in my earlier comment. I meant with THESE

http://www.gunblast.com/BeltMtn_PunchBullet.htm

This is worth reading if you're worried about your bullet not penetrating.

quickdtoo · « **Reply #17 on:** May 24, 2005, 12:26:40 PM »

Handi, have you checked on the price of those puppies? They look like a 400gr flat nosed version of the African Grand Slam that cost $135 a box!!

Tim

handirifle · « **Reply #18 on:** May 25, 2005, 04:23:45 AM »

No I hadn't, but I guess if one can afford an African safari, $135 a box for shells would be chump change. Outa my league. I'm not sure I'd want to pay Buffalo Bore's or Garrett's prices.

quickdtoo · « **Reply #19 on:** May 25, 2005, 06:55:12 AM »

Handi, that $135 is just for 50 bullets, not loaded ammo!! The AGS look like they're gold plated and from the price, must be!!!! This place sells em for $210 a box!!!

http://www.gunaccessories.com/Speer/African%20GrandSlamRifleBullets.asp

handirifle · « **Reply #20 on:** May 25, 2005, 08:59:34 AM »

WOW!
I read somewhere that EACH bullet is MACHINED. They are not molded or cast, so that would explain the cost somewhat.

I wonder if these will out perform the Garrett ammo enough to warrant the cost diff?

quickdtoo · « **Reply #21 on:** May 25, 2005, 09:04:41 AM »

Well, IF I ever go to Alaska or Africa, I MIGHT consider some of these, but I doubt that will ever happen..... :roll:

Varminter · « **Reply #22 on:** May 25, 2005, 11:38:27 AM »

Man i would like to load some of those up for the hogs we have around here. It would probably just make a big mess though.