Let's go line by line with Lawdog's scenario:
"The Mount Carmel center was rumored to be stockpiled inside was an arsenal of explosives and weapons, some of which reportedly had been illegally converted to rapid-fire automatic."
So a rumor is enough to get you raided now? Did the rumor convince a judge to sign a warrant? Who 'reported' there were illegal full auto weapons? We've had rumors on this board that the twin towers were nuked, and reports of big foot. Did they have a warrant when they went in? I heard they didn't
"This put them under the ATF's jurisdiction."
We know what a level headed , well respected group of tax collectors they are.
"A UPS driver had tipped off the government when a package bound for Mount Carmel had broken open to reveal casings for hand grenades."
UPS drivers, tipping off the government about grenade casings? Were the casings the same ones you can buy at the gun shows for $5. The ones with the big hole in the bottom where a rubber plug goes? Do UPS drivers qualify as ammo experts?
"Faced with the possibility of full auto weapons and explosives the agents were on the alert."
Thank goodness they were alert! No telling how many people could have been hurt otherwise. I guess a few of them must have dozed off during the briefing, when they told them to keep their fingers off the triggers, until ready to fire. I saw the video of one BATF ninja shooting himself in the leg while climbing a ladder. I guess the report of practice grenade casings has morphed into explosives now?
"Those inside(the adults) were to be considered armed and dangerous."
Obviously. No sense in trying to talk to them, or have Karesh come into town. Just shoot to kill (the adults).
"The agents had hoped that this incident could be settled quickly."
That would explain why they didn't bring extra ammo.
"At nearly 10 o'clock, as three teams formed to enter the building, an agent went to the compound's front door and knocked. They'd been preparing for this for eight months, and each team had an assignmentprotect the children, neutralize the military force, and seize the arms before they could be used."
They planned this fiasco for 8 months? They executed the search while the head suspect is inside and has access to all his reported weapons? Not real clear thinkers.
"David Koresh looked out from behind a steel door and learned that the agents had a search warrant. Instead of obeying a lawful warrant and letting them in, he slammed the door and someone started shooting."
I guess since they killed everyone who might argue with them, we'll only hear the BATF side of that moment. The steel front door, which might reveal which way the bullets were going, got lost somehow. Funny how that happened.
"There were some reports that agents were shooting the dogs to get them out of the way(standard procedure by many departments) and that's what started the deadly crossfire between the two groups. Several agents were hit right away, and multiple shots were fired at the hovering helicopters."
That's something new. I didn't know the agents were shooting dogs at the compound. I guess if it's 'standard procedure', it must be OK. I can't understand why anyone would get confused over someone at your front door shooting at your dogs. :roll:
"The blame lays on David Koresh for all that happened. David Koresh believed the government as the agent of Satan(taken directly from some of his writings). David had predicted that they would be attacked by the Babylonians. Could it have been handled differently? Yes. Would it have ended up differently if David Koresh had obeyed the lawful order/warrant and surrendered to the ATF agents? Most assuredly YES. Yes the events at Waco were a shame but would have never happened if David hadnt defied the law."
It takes a real sure opinion for someone to say "The blame lays on David Koresh for all that happened". From what I've seen and read there seems to be plenty of blame all around. I don't doubt Karesh was a nut, and I'm not trying to defend him. I'm trying to point out to you and the other forum readers the really foolish things done under the name of the law. There were plenty of opportunities for this to end in a different manner, but they were all passed up. Your unbending defense of what law enforcement did, when they had plenty of time to avoid it, doesn't sit well with me.
"For the children sake I am truly sorry but the adults knew what they were doing, for them I have no sympathies."
I think 'no sympathies' about sums it up. I found your post very disturbing.
